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Charlotte trades Gordon and Haywood for Marvin Williams and Miles
Utah trades Marvin Williams, Rush, and Jeremy Evans for Gordon and a 2nd rounder from Cleveland
Cleveland trades Varejao, Miles, 2nd for Thad Young, Rush, and Haywood
Philly trades Thad Young for Varejao and Jeremy Evans

Why:
Charlotte turns two guys riding the bench into two more guys at the end of the bench and saves $4M.
Utah fully tanks and gains a 2nd for their troubles. They save a little cash.
Cleveland makes a move for the playoffs and actually gets a SF better than CJ Miles.
Philly plugs the hole at center left by Bynum and gets a young athletic forward as well.

Considering Miles is third or fourth on Cleveland's depth chart at SF, Gee/Clarke/Miles or Bennett, there is not real incentive for them to be in this deal. Also, Marvin Williams is likely out for the season, so I don't really understand his inclusion in this deal either.

Cleveland is better off gambling that AV will play 50+ games than doing this. I like Thad Young well enough but Cleveland is trying to be a playoff team and leaving the center position in the hands of Bynum and Zeller doesnt seem like the way to go.

I think Cleveland needs AV to stick around so they don't need to play Bynum heavy minutes. Zeller can't do that at this stage. And I doubt Philly trades Young for an injury proned AV.

Yeah, this would be a trade just to make a trade for Cleveland. It's lateral at best.

Not bad for Utah, but my personal preference is to keep Rush and hopefully let him build up his trade value since "3-and-D" guys are all the rage now. (And for the time being, we could use his defense too.)

Young>AV and we don't want a player like Andy AT ALL!

Personally, I think that every decent team needs a player like Varejao, but then I wouldn't trade him for Young either. so our views appear to be diametrically opposed.

I don't think Cleveland or Philly would do it.

TheOUTLAW wrote:Personally, I think that every decent team needs a player like Varejao, but then I wouldn't trade him for Young either. so our views appear to be diametrically opposed.

1. Sixers are tanking. Why should be try and be decent and float around .500 when we can get the #1?
2. Young is better than AV and doesn't miss half of every season.

IMO, you can just cut the Cavs out of this deal since it doesn't make them better.

Thad Young - Cavs drafted Bennet which makes this kind of pointless for a veteran tweener like Young. Besides,
Philly fans seem to value Young the most... even picking him over players who defend much better
than him at PF/C. Young is a perfect tank driver.

Rush - With Dion Waiters and the Russian kid they drafted--- this guy rehabbing from injury on the Cavs does nothing for them.

Haywood is a downgrade to Varejao big time. The Cavs need quality depth in the front court--- not quantity. Varejao won't have to play as many minutes which will cut down on his major injury possibilities.

eliasrapp98 wrote:

TheOUTLAW wrote:Personally, I think that every decent team needs a player like Varejao, but then I wouldn't trade him for Young either. so our views appear to be diametrically opposed.

1. Sixers are tanking. Why should be try and be decent and float around .500 when we can get the #1?
2. Young is better than AV and doesn't miss half of every season.

Not necessarily saying Philly should do this trade but "we want to tank, so we'll keep the better/healthier guy" doesn't hold together very well.

Philly is not going to move Young in a deal that doesn't bring back an asset for the future. (No J.Evans is not an asset for the future)

Between youth/health I think you could make an argument that Young has more value than AV, however position might give the edge to AV (although a C in a suit often...) Either way, I the two players value is close.

That said, AV makes no sense for a Philly team that wants young assets (unless this is a 3 team deal), and CLV just used the #1 pick on a guy who probably plays the same position as T.Young. (If Bennett has a good outside game *maybe* they could mesh, but risky)

So... this deal just kinda doesn't work for either team IMO.

loserX wrote:

eliasrapp98 wrote:

TheOUTLAW wrote:Personally, I think that every decent team needs a player like Varejao, but then I wouldn't trade him for Young either. so our views appear to be diametrically opposed.

1. Sixers are tanking. Why should be try and be decent and float around .500 when we can get the #1?
2. Young is better than AV and doesn't miss half of every season.

Not necessarily saying Philly should do this trade but "we want to tank, so we'll keep the better/healthier guy" doesn't hold together very well.

Wrong again people... We want to trade Thad to make us worse, but for picks/prospects, not AV...

loserX wrote:

eliasrapp98 wrote:

TheOUTLAW wrote:Personally, I think that every decent team needs a player like Varejao, but then I wouldn't trade him for Young either. so our views appear to be diametrically opposed.

1. Sixers are tanking. Why should be try and be decent and float around .500 when we can get the #1?
2. Young is better than AV and doesn't miss half of every season.

Not necessarily saying Philly should do this trade but "we want to tank, so we'll keep the better/healthier guy" doesn't hold together very well.

It probably helps that Young is not the better player, just the healthier one.

eliasrapp98 wrote:Young>AV and we don't want a player like Andy AT ALL!

In what capacity?

Varejao averages nearly double the rebounds as Young in only 1.4 more minutes per game.
Varejao averages nearly double the assists as Young
Varejao gets to the line more often than Young and converts on his free throws at a much better rate (this negates Young's better FG%)

Young is a better scorer, but Varejao makes up for it by getting to the line and converting. Young can shoot more effectively from everywhere on the court than Varejao other than 16-23 feet (Varejao has the edge there), but they both score roughly the same amount of points and Varejao needs 1 less shot to do it.

Varejao's rebound rate is 23.2% and Young's is 12.0%.

Basically, Varejao's raw stats and advanced stats are superior across the board.

http://www.hoopdata.com/player.aspx?nam ... %20Varejao

http://www.hoopdata.com/player.aspx?nam ... us%20Young

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... 01&y2=2013

If you want to make an argument that Varejao hasn't been able to stay healthy, then that is completely fair. But if we're talking about which player is better than the other, it isn't even close.

No Offense wrote:

eliasrapp98 wrote:Young>AV and we don't want a player like Andy AT ALL!

In what capacity?

Varejao averages nearly double the rebounds as Young in only 1.4 more minutes per game.
Varejao averages nearly double the assists as Young
Varejao gets to the line more often than Young and converts on his free throws at a much better rate (this negates Young's better FG%)

Young is a better scorer, but Varejao makes up for it by getting to the line and converting. Young can shoot more effectively from everywhere on the court than Varejao other than 16-23 feet (Varejao has the edge there), but they both score roughly the same amount of points and Varejao needs 1 less shot to do it.

Varejao's rebound rate is 23.2% and Young's is 12.0%.

Basically, Varejao's raw stats and advanced stats are superior across the board.

http://www.hoopdata.com/player.aspx?nam ... %20Varejao

http://www.hoopdata.com/player.aspx?nam ... us%20Young

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... 01&y2=2013

If you want to make an argument that Varejao hasn't been able to stay healthy, then that is completely fair. But if we're talking about which player is better than the other, it isn't even close.

Thad is 24.

I don't have a dog in this fight, but he was responding to your assertion that Thad is better than AV, so what does age have to do with it?

eliasrapp98 wrote:

No Offense wrote:

eliasrapp98 wrote:Young>AV and we don't want a player like Andy AT ALL!

In what capacity?

Varejao averages nearly double the rebounds as Young in only 1.4 more minutes per game.
Varejao averages nearly double the assists as Young
Varejao gets to the line more often than Young and converts on his free throws at a much better rate (this negates Young's better FG%)

Young is a better scorer, but Varejao makes up for it by getting to the line and converting. Young can shoot more effectively from everywhere on the court than Varejao other than 16-23 feet (Varejao has the edge there), but they both score roughly the same amount of points and Varejao needs 1 less shot to do it.

Varejao's rebound rate is 23.2% and Young's is 12.0%.

Basically, Varejao's raw stats and advanced stats are superior across the board.

http://www.hoopdata.com/player.aspx?nam ... %20Varejao

http://www.hoopdata.com/player.aspx?nam ... us%20Young

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... 01&y2=2013

If you want to make an argument that Varejao hasn't been able to stay healthy, then that is completely fair. But if we're talking about which player is better than the other, it isn't even close.

Thad is 24.

Derrick Williams is 22. It doesn't make him better than Thad Young.

eliasrapp98 wrote:Thad is 24.

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