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http://www1.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6342853

Kings Get:
Brook Lopez
Bojan Bogdanovic
Mirza Teletovic

Nets Get:
Demarcus Cousins
Carl Landry



Now that cousins signed a near max deal himself, lopez being on a max contract shouldnt be a hurdle here. Nets upgrade from lopez to cousins, add even more emotion and rebounding to their front court. Kings get lopez, who isnt a huge downgrade from cousins, and get from under 4 years of landry who is going to be out 4 months. they add a stretch 4 in mirza who wouldnt be as buried on their roster and get the rights to bogdanovic who could be over next season.

not sure about the landry situation, would it be a bonus for kings fans to move his salary, or do you view him as a good asset still even with the surgery?

Would be jacked if we made this deal, i think cousins next to KG would really bring the best out of him, and playing with actual talents and real vets would have an enormous impact on his game.

Nets need to add more incentive because Cousins is a STUD and he is younger. Argument can be made that Cousins is already better than Brook Lopez.

You've done this trade about 5 times before.

Every Net fan on here other than you HATES it with a passion and BK would never do it.

The Kings should be all over this. Whether or not they would do it, I have no idea, but don't care as they would never be offered this.

DK-All Day wrote:Nets need to add more incentive because Cousins is a STUD and he is younger. Argument can be made that Cousins is already better than Brooks.

Yes, Cousins is much better than M.Brooks but he is on the Celtics.
There is nothing that suggests Cousins is better than Lopez.

Steve Kerr the biggest Chicago homer out there just called Lopez the best big man in the East this week in a Twitter Q+A. Not Noah, Bosh or Hibbert.

Trader_Joe wrote:

DK-All Day wrote:Nets need to add more incentive because Cousins is a STUD and he is younger. Argument can be made that Cousins is already better than Brooks.

Yes, Cousins is much better than M.Brooks but he is on the Celtics.
There is nothing that suggests Cousins is better than Lopez.

Steve Kerr the biggest Chicago homer out there just called Lopez the best big man in the East this week in a Twitter Q+A. Not Noah, Bosh or Hibbert.

Let's not act like that's remotely true... Brook Lopez might be a great offensive force, but his terrible rebounding and average-at-best defense alone are enough to give Hibbert the nod here. Steve Kerr can say whatever he wants; he's not wrong in that Lopez is the best OFFENSIVE big man in the East, but as a complete player, Hibbert is certainly far better. Going against a team like Miami, 20/30 coaches would pick Hibbert over Lopez.

It might be a different story for BK now that they tried to cover his shortcomings by getting guys like KG and AK, but that doesn't change the fact that he's still a mediocre defender and a horrendous rebounder.

I_Socrates wrote:

Trader_Joe wrote:

DK-All Day wrote:Nets need to add more incentive because Cousins is a STUD and he is younger. Argument can be made that Cousins is already better than Brooks.

Yes, Cousins is much better than M.Brooks but he is on the Celtics.
There is nothing that suggests Cousins is better than Lopez.

Steve Kerr the biggest Chicago homer out there just called Lopez the best big man in the East this week in a Twitter Q+A. Not Noah, Bosh or Hibbert.

Let's not act like that's remotely true... Brook Lopez might be a great offensive force, but his terrible rebounding and average-at-best defense alone are enough to give Hibbert the nod here. Steve Kerr can say whatever he wants; he's not wrong in that Lopez is the best OFFENSIVE big man in the East, but as a complete player, Hibbert is certainly far better. Going against a team like Miami, 20/30 coaches would pick Hibbert over Lopez.

It might be a different story for BK now that they tried to cover his shortcomings by getting guys like KG and AK, but that doesn't change the fact that he's still a mediocre defender and a horrendous rebounder.

It is true that he said, just like Shaq said he was the best center in the NBA

I didn't weigh on the validity of it, I figured I'd let someone else bite.
But my point more so was that I was shocked that Kerr specifically didn't mention Noah and did mention Hibbert but still gave Lopez the nod.

Also, there is nothing you can do to convince me he is a liability on the boards.

A team cannot be the 2nd best rebounding team in the NBA if they have a horrendous rebounder playing 30mpg, even if Evans is playing 24mpg. Lopez is an above average offensive rebounder and excellent at boxing out and taking up space. There is more to rebounding than simply a player grabbing it. Evans is a stat padder at rebounding (most are uncontested, many are his own misses, he gets 3 seconds calls left and right and he steals them from teammates)

Garnett has been a supbar rebounder and the Celtics very poor on the glass the last couple years. I am anxious to see how the Nets do on the boards, but I suspect fine. (they've crushed some opponents on the boards this preseason when their team plays and not like what we saw in Boston last night with no starters. Overall up +3 in rebound differential with Evans playing 15.5 minutes this preseason) On the other hand the Kings have been terrible on the boards the last two seasons.. dead last in defensive rebounding. Not sure what that says about Cousins (who plays next to a 6'11" JT)

Lopez's defense is going to surprise people this season. It was above average last season (team was much better with him on the court.. just like the Nets have been the better rebounding team with Lopez on the court all 4 of his healthy seasons).

Trader_Joe wrote:You've done this trade about 5 times before.

Every Net fan on here other than you HATES it with a passion and BK would never do it.

The Kings should be all over this. Whether or not they would do it, I have no idea, but don't care as they would never be offered this.

before it was unanimous kings fans wouldnt do it, many citing that lopez made the max and cousins was on a rookie deal. makes more sense now that they both make max/near max money.

and its worst 50/50 among nets fans. the nets were high on cousins in the draft, i cant see anyway they turn this deal down, as its a move that could make us a true contender

Trader_Joe wrote:

DK-All Day wrote:Nets need to add more incentive because Cousins is a STUD and he is younger. Argument can be made that Cousins is already better than Brooks.

Yes, Cousins is much better than M.Brooks but he is on the Celtics.
There is nothing that suggests Cousins is better than Lopez.

Steve Kerr the biggest Chicago homer out there just called Lopez the best big man in the East this week in a Twitter Q+A. Not Noah, Bosh or Hibbert.

Cousins is better then lopez in every single aspect of the game. and in most areas, it isnt close. put cousins on the nets team of a year ago and we get out of the first round and cousins numbers would have dwarfed what brook did.

put brook on last years kings team and it would be another 70 loss season for a lopez led team

Nets get screwed here. Soon that Cousins contract will make the Jamarcus Russell deal look good lol.

I'm exaggerating but I bet if you polled GMs which they'd want, Lopez wins that poll easy. Cousins is a head case and is a net negative for his team. Sorry, but the stats support this. The kings were literally better on both ends of the floor when Cousins was off the floor. Think about that.

Cue raging Kings fan who will support Cousins until he does them a solid and demands out.

DrazenForThree wrote:

Trader_Joe wrote:You've done this trade about 5 times before.

Every Net fan on here other than you HATES it with a passion and BK would never do it.

The Kings should be all over this. Whether or not they would do it, I have no idea, but don't care as they would never be offered this.

before it was unanimous kings fans wouldnt do it, many citing that lopez made the max and cousins was on a rookie deal. makes more sense now that they both make max/near max money.

and its worst 50/50 among nets fans. the nets were high on cousins in the draft, i cant see anyway they turn this deal down, as its a move that could make us a true contender

At best its 20% of Net fans, and I will gladly start a poll here and ask on ND to show you how wrong you are. I'm not sure if you actually believe the 50% number but I assume you freely admit you like Lopez much much less than the average Nets fan and probably less than most neutral fans. I was going to say I like him more than most, but considering many Net fans think he's #1 or #2 and I think he's behind at least Howard and M.Gasol, I don't think that is fair statement about me.

And of course Avery and Thorn were high on Cousins as he was one of the top prospects and we had the #3 pick...and we took Favors and supposedly preferred Wes Johnson to DMC. I know of no remaining Cousin fans in the Nets FO so that point is largely irrelevant.

Also I will reiterate...

We are trying to win a title this season or next.
Lopez gives us a much better chance to do that.

Cousins has a chance to set back this team severely....both on the court and off. He is a much more detrimental player, with his ineffienct offense and measurably worse than Lopez defense, than Lopez ever has been.

The 25-50% chance that Cousins develops into the stud you hope and hopefully within the next two years, is far offset by the odds he doesn't, which includes being an outright cancer..even when playing studly.

So not worth the risk.

Trader_Joe wrote:At best its 20% of Net fans, and I will gladly start a poll here and ask on ND to show you how wrong you are. I'm not sure if you actually believe the 50% number but I assume you freely admit you like Lopez much much less than the average Nets fan and probably less than most neutral fans. I was going to say I like him more than most, but considering many Net fans think he's #1 or #2 and I think he's behind at least Howard and M.Gasol, I don't think that is fair statement about me.

Nets Daily is the worst site on the internet. there is a reason anytime one of the posters come to the nets board they are banned within a week. if you polled here, you would certainly get well more then 20%

We are trying to win a title this season or next.
Lopez gives us a much better chance to do that.

cousins gives us a MUCH better chance to win now. especially since lopez turtles and plays soft when teams take it to him, ESPECIALLY the heat and we saw noah abuse him on 1 leg in game 7. Cousins is a much tougher player, and doesnt back down when someone gets physical with him. we'd have a much better chance vs. the heat with cousins since he passes so much better and asserts himself more.

The 25-50% chance that Cousins develops into the stud you hope and hopefully within the next two years, is far offset by the odds he doesn't, which includes being an outright cancer..even when playing studly.

So not worth the risk.

cousins right now is already considerably better then lopez. other then efficiency, he is better in every aspect of the game... and if you surround him with talent, that would change drastically(just like it did for lopez)

when lopez was in cousins shoes he led the nets to 70 losses and one of the worst records in league history

A. Lopez never led us anywhere, nor was he expected to. He was 20 years old and a 2nd year player and a #10 pick. Cousins should have more expectations as a higher pick, but I would never label him as a player that led the Kings anywhere either during his first 2 seasons in the league. Using that logic none of our players at the time are automatically worse than their peers.. Lee, Harris, Hump (actually most are not in the league and DMC has had far greater talent)

B. Kerr would never call current DMC the best Center in the West, Shaq would never call current DMC the best Center overall. DMC has not been close to being an all-star, etc. The gap between the two is enormous. Lopez is to DMC as P.Goerge is to Beasley.


Anyway I'm done with this repetitive, agenda driven topic. You know you do not at all represent the average Nets fan or the FO thinking. You know the FO would never offer this deal. I know I will never change your mind, nor you mine, or anyone else's unless DMC becomes an absolute beast with his head on straight. Get back to me when that happens.. I'm sure it won't be this year or next though.

DrazenForThree wrote:Cousins is a much tougher player, and doesn't back down when someone gets physical with him.

You're right, he loses his temper and gets ejected. lol




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This is an embarrassment. 90% of Nets fans would never do this and the Nets FO certainly wouldn't do it.

DarkXaero wrote:This is an embarrassment. 90% of Nets fans would never do this and the Nets FO certainly wouldn't do it.

THIS.

I have been a proponent of DMC since before he was drafted. I was actually one of the few Nets fans that thought we should take him over Favors though in retrospect I'm not sure UTA would have executed the Deron deal with Cousins instead of Derrick, due to his attitude and inefficiency). I wanted to put him NEXT to Brook, but I wouldn't even entertain swapping them.

Trader_Joe wrote:A. Lopez never led us anywhere, nor was he expected to. He was 20 years old and a 2nd year player and a #10 pick. Cousins should have more expectations as a higher pick, but I would never label him as a player that led the Kings anywhere either during his first 2 seasons in the league. Using that logic none of our players at the time are automatically worse than their peers.. Lee, Harris, Hump (actually most are not in the league and DMC has had far greater talent)

who is this "far greater talent"? Vince Carter and Devin Harris are as good or better then anyone cousins has played with. and cousins never played for a 70 loss team.

B. Kerr would never call current DMC the best Center in the West, Shaq would never call current DMC the best Center overall. DMC has not been close to being an all-star, etc. The gap between the two is enormous. Lopez is to DMC as P.Goerge is to Beasley.

the gap is enormous. cousins is that much better

Anyway I'm done with this repetitive, agenda driven topic. You know you do not at all represent the average Nets fan or the FO thinking. You know the FO would never offer this deal. I know I will never change your mind, nor you mine, or anyone else's unless DMC becomes an absolute beast with his head on straight. Get back to me when that happens.. I'm sure it won't be this year or next though.

right cause you are an enormous nets homer and an even bigger lopez homer.

Lattimer wrote:

DrazenForThree wrote:Cousins is a much tougher player, and doesn't back down when someone gets physical with him.

You're right, he loses his temper and gets ejected. lol




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anything would be better then getting emasculated the way lopez did in game 7. we'd be better off if brook did get ejected that game.

If you look at production last year, most recent sample size for 2 young players (Cousins=23, Lopez=25), which is accurate considering young players development curve, their talents can be debated all day long. I would give edge to Lopez based on efficiency.

Now consider which player I would want on my team at Center (and most GM's I think would feel this way too), Lopez by landslide. For very close talent and production between the two, no drama or head case issues with Lopez.

And BTW, not that its word of god or something, but ESPN ranks Lopez 28th and Cousins 40. Good to know.

No way the Kings do this deal. Cousins has the potential to be the best center in the league within 2 years. As a small market team, you don't give up on players like that no matter what maturity issues they are having.

Cousins has looked very good in preseason. He's continuing to show that he can score at a high efficiency (the last 3 months of the season he average over 50% from the floor). These are Cousins per36 preseason numbers thus far:

FG%: .519 FT%: .773 PPG: 28.7 RPG: 12.9 APG: 2.7 SPG: 3.2 BPG: 1.0

Cousins does have the ability to be a 25-12-3 center in this league and he's been putting it on display here in the preseason. No chance the Kings give up this guy for Lopez.