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What if the grizzlies tried to pursue Terrance Ross?

Trade Koufus, Calathes, Allen for Ross, Nogueira, Chuck Hayes' 5.5m contract, then grizzlies pick up one of the following: Jordan Crawford/Andray Blatche/Ray Allen from the waiver wire.

Grizzlies:
Pros:
Get rid of Koufus expiring contract for a longer and cheaper contract in Noguiera who the grizzlies can develop over time and if they sign Andray Blatche, they could be in little or no hurry to need him. Get a good up coming talent in Ross that grinds it out to the basket and can also spread the floor with his decent mid range and long range shots, he is a natural SF at 6' 7" the dude has highlight reel dunking ability and that is the one thing I miss in Grizz ball since the trade of Gay ( and yes I think this guy will be as good if not better than gay in the long term, you can disagree) also he has not just this year but also next year on his contract at only 2.3m which is great for his set of skills and we should have the money in a couple years to sign him for more, more so than we do now. Jordan Crawford/Ray Allen is also a great guy to space the floor if they also pick him up, also with having chuck hayes what this does is gives us large amount of contracts coming off the books with both Prince's 7.7m and add in another 5.5m and we have a lot of open cap going into next offseason, and some roster spots we can fill = good combo

Cons:
We lose a veteran Allen who has become one of the faces of this franchise's Grit and Grind mentality, and I have gained a deep respect for what he brings to this team, but he is not starting SF material and the direction the team is looking to move into, he might not be good come the long term. There is no con to trading Calathes. Also being contract heavy this season and trading away key pieces could stop another western conf finals showing before it even appears, but it could also facilitate another one or better in the future. Koufus is a solid Center and could even start for a couple teams, but he is a great back-up center and good on both sides of the ball not just defense or offense so losing him is going to hurt.

Raptors:

Pros:
They get a solid perimeter defender in allen and can move Derozan to play a 3 if they want to, as well they get Calathes who is a solid backup guard option (even though they do have Vasquez and williams). Raptors strengthen their defense. They get Koufus who is a solid back-up center and could probably start if they want to play Valanciunus at PF, which would make this the tallest and most physically dominant Back-courts in the leauge. This also gives Koufus more minutes which I think he deserves, even if he is coming off the bench he will get more minutes than in memphis. Even though koufus is 25 I think he could develop especially if given starter minutes.

Cons:
Allen is old. They lose an up and coming player in Ross. Raptors have to take on Allen's long term contract. Koufus' contract is up this year, but if they sign him early in the season he might sign for a decent amount (between 4-7m a year for 3 years)

Tell me what you guys think

That's way too much for Allen and Koufos.

well I had originally written it to include picks as well to the raptors, but just the basic framework here.

bondom34 wrote:That's way too much for Allen and Koufos.

I would love to bring that very pair to Dallas somehow. Especially Allen.


I actually don't think its that bad a deal for Toronto. I don't know that Ross will ever get to the point where he impacts games to the degree Allen already does with his defense and I think the bloom is off Nogueira as a prospect considering Atlanta tossed him in to a salary dump deal.

Chuck Texas wrote:

bondom34 wrote:That's way too much for Allen and Koufos.

I would love to bring that very pair to Dallas somehow. Especially Allen.


I actually don't think its that bad a deal for Toronto. I don't know that Ross will ever get to the point where he impacts games to the degree Allen already does with his defense and I think the bloom is off Nogueira as a prospect considering Atlanta tossed him in to a salary dump deal.

I'd love them in OKC too, but I think Ross at his age still has the potential to make this a no-go. Noguiera's not really a toss in either, he's got some potential.

Allen is 32. How many years can we expect out of him?

Dont see any way to get Terrence to Mem.

Interesting, I like Allen and Koufos to a lesser extent. But he just doesn't fit with DeRozan. When your starting SF and SG can't hit threes, you are in some kind of trouble.

I think it's an interesting idea though, might need to be tweaked.

Is this even what Memphis wants to do? Get worse in the short-term? Ross and Nogueira have potential, but they're not going to contribute nearly as much to the Grizzlies this year as Allen and Koufus will.

This is a team that just signed a 300-year-old Vince Carter for short-term gain...this doesn't seem to fit as a follow-up move.

Welcome to RealGM, by the way! Always nice to see more Griz fans here.

I think both teams say no. It makes Mem worse in the short term and the Raptors already have a player strictly for defensive purposes in James Johnson (who's played very well so far).

Memphis definitely shouldn't make a move to get worse now unless it's a legit rebuild package for one of their bigs.

Bad for both teams for all the reasons mentioned in the above posts

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Yeah, I like me some Tony Allen, but the 3 point shooting would get ugly.

Casey might LOVE this trade....play Allen like 47 minute a game.

Aren't the best two pieces here Allen and Koufus ? Ross and Bebe? What's in it for Memphis really?

BadWolf wrote:Aren't the best two pieces here Allen and Koufus ? Ross and Bebe? What's in it for Memphis really?

Allen is also 32 and will be surrounded by a core in their early to mid-20's. Koufos is also a FA at the end of the year. And allen/derozen would be the worst shooting wing tandem in the league.

I don't see it for Toronto;
Ross is still young but more important he is still on his rookie deal, even if the Raps upgraded at the three down the line they still have two seasons of a very reasonable Ross on the books.

The Raps are not quite at a point where they should be amalgamating young pieces for older ones;
especially in this case,

loserX wrote:Is this even what Memphis wants to do? Get worse in the short-term? Ross and Nogueira have potential, but they're not going to contribute nearly as much to the Grizzlies this year as Allen and Koufus will.

This is a team that just signed a 300-year-old Vince Carter for short-term gain...this doesn't seem to fit as a follow-up move.

Welcome to RealGM, by the way! Always nice to see more Griz fans here.

Not in my view. I don't think the value is way off, but I think Memphis is all-in at least until we see what happens with Gasol. We saw last year what a well-rested, motivated Allen can do in the playoffs, so this team's (slim) championship aspirations would take a huge step back if we traded him for a decent young player with potential, like Ross.

My hope is that guys like Allen and ZBo will age relatively gracefully - maybe not as top 2 guys but as starters and real contributors to a contending team into their mid-30;s. That's been happening a lot more as sports science improves. But either way, you don't toss away this season unless it's clear that the griz top out as a first round exit.

Man Tony Allen is so underrated but I just don't think he'd be effective for any team as much as he is for Memphis

Chuck Texas wrote:

bondom34 wrote:That's way too much for Allen and Koufos.

I would love to bring that very pair to Dallas somehow. Especially Allen.


I actually don't think its that bad a deal for Toronto. I don't know that Ross will ever get to the point where he impacts games to the degree Allen already does with his defense and I think the bloom is off Nogueira as a prospect considering Atlanta tossed him in to a salary dump deal.

How is the bloom off of a rookie who is 21 years old? He's yet to play an NBA game...They put him in the deal because they didn't want to bring him over from Spain this season and he wanted to play.

Troubadour wrote:
How is the bloom off of a rookie who is 21 years old? He's yet to play an NBA game...They put him in the deal because they didn't want to bring him over from Spain this season and he wanted to play.

I'm not completely writing the guy off, but it seems safe to say that Atlanta didn't see him as much of a prospect any longer if they were willing to use him to dump the salary of a guy who can still play a little. And Im assuming before they sent him to Toronto in the salary dumped, they shopped him around the Association trying to get value for him which clearly they couldn't.

I hope he works out like I do every young player, but his value is low right now and I can't see any reason to think otherwise.