2013 Draft: Ranking by Trade Value: Top 10 done.
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2013 Draft: Ranking by Trade Value: Top 10 done.
Seeing first David Thorpe's Sophmore rankings (insider) -- http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/ ... e-rankings -- and then with the start of the top 25 trade value, I thought I would break this out as a separate question and ask:
Which 2013 draft pick has the most trade value? Which has the second most? The third? The least? If you had to list a top 10 in order by trade value -- the highest return a player could reasonably be expected to get in a trade, if traded -- what would your top 10 look like?
Who's your top 10 in order? And who do you start with? Giannis? Gobert? Nerlens? Len? The Roty Laker pick valued MCW? The quietly underrated Oladipo?
I added a poll for the highest, when we get enough votes I will switch it to the second highest. Let me know who should be included in those votes going forward and what your top 10 is.
EDIT:
1: Giannis.
2. Gobert.
3. Oladipo.
4. Noel.
5. MCW.
6. Len.
7. Adams.
8. Schroeder.
9. Dieng.
10. Shabazz.
Which 2013 draft pick has the most trade value? Which has the second most? The third? The least? If you had to list a top 10 in order by trade value -- the highest return a player could reasonably be expected to get in a trade, if traded -- what would your top 10 look like?
Who's your top 10 in order? And who do you start with? Giannis? Gobert? Nerlens? Len? The Roty Laker pick valued MCW? The quietly underrated Oladipo?
I added a poll for the highest, when we get enough votes I will switch it to the second highest. Let me know who should be included in those votes going forward and what your top 10 is.
EDIT:
1: Giannis.
2. Gobert.
3. Oladipo.
4. Noel.
5. MCW.
6. Len.
7. Adams.
8. Schroeder.
9. Dieng.
10. Shabazz.
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This is pretty tough. I would think its between Dipo and Giannis, but the allure of the defensive big means Gobert and Noel should be pretty desirable as well. Totally agree Oladipo gets underrated. That cat is a really good player already and clearly the best player of the group right now by some distance.
Push comes to shove I would say Giannis just because I still think the allure of what this guy could be is so tempting.
Len, MCW, Dieng, seem like the lowest with Schroder and Plumlee the next tier above them. And I'd probably put Steven Adams somewhere among those 5 as well as a guy you left off.
Push comes to shove I would say Giannis just because I still think the allure of what this guy could be is so tempting.
Len, MCW, Dieng, seem like the lowest with Schroder and Plumlee the next tier above them. And I'd probably put Steven Adams somewhere among those 5 as well as a guy you left off.
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Oladipo
Giannis
Gobert
Noel
Len
MCW
Adams
Plumlee
Dieng
Schroder
HM
Zeller
McLemore
KCP
Giannis
Gobert
Noel
Len
MCW
Adams
Plumlee
Dieng
Schroder
HM
Zeller
McLemore
KCP
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Oladipo/Giannis/Noel/Gobert comparison for this season:
http://bkref.com/tiny/KgfWx
I would definitely agree that is the top 4 -- amazing the draft pick dispersion at 2,6,15,and 27 -- but I would have Oladipo 4th of that group.
He's older than the other 3 (2 years on all but Gobbert who is roughly the same) and less of a physical freak than all of them by far. Oladipo has basically average for a sg in height wingspan reach, with some below average, doesn't yet have a 3 point shot that is where it needs to be, and isn't going to be a pg.
Vorp, bpm,ws/48, and espn's rpm (which I hate for a bunch of reasons) all have Oladipo separated below Giannis and Gobert.
So, while I called Oladipo underrated, I still have him 4th. Just doesn't have the upside I see in teh others, and even in terms of current production and risk aversion, Gobert seems a better choice.
http://bkref.com/tiny/KgfWx
I would definitely agree that is the top 4 -- amazing the draft pick dispersion at 2,6,15,and 27 -- but I would have Oladipo 4th of that group.
He's older than the other 3 (2 years on all but Gobbert who is roughly the same) and less of a physical freak than all of them by far. Oladipo has basically average for a sg in height wingspan reach, with some below average, doesn't yet have a 3 point shot that is where it needs to be, and isn't going to be a pg.
Vorp, bpm,ws/48, and espn's rpm (which I hate for a bunch of reasons) all have Oladipo separated below Giannis and Gobert.
So, while I called Oladipo underrated, I still have him 4th. Just doesn't have the upside I see in teh others, and even in terms of current production and risk aversion, Gobert seems a better choice.
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Trader_Joe wrote:Oladipo
Giannis
Gobert
Noel
Len
MCW
Adams
Plumlee
Dieng
Schroder
HM
Zeller
McLemore
KCP
Pretty spot on! Exactly what I would have said.

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I think Oladipo is clearly behind Gobert/Giannis in terms of trade value, but thats just me
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H2tObes wrote:I think Oladipo is clearly behind Gobert/Giannis in terms of trade value, but thats just me


"Clearly" that's just you.
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Magic_Johnny12 wrote:H2tObes wrote:I think Oladipo is clearly behind Gobert/Giannis in terms of trade value, but thats just me
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"Clearly" that's just you.
Ok! Just my opinion..don't think it's all that hard to believe calm down lad. Both of these guys are surefire all defensive team caliber defenders. Big guys who can defend will always hold more value to me than an above average SG. Giannis has all the potential in the world and I would bet on Gobert winning multiple DPOY awards.
Oladipo hasn't even had that great of a season outside of these last two games...easy choice of Giannis/Gobert over him for me like I said
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Magic_Johnny12 wrote:H2tObes wrote:I think Oladipo is clearly behind Gobert/Giannis in terms of trade value, but thats just me
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"Clearly" that's just you.
I find it clearly so as well, for all the reasons explained.

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HartfordWhalers wrote:Magic_Johnny12 wrote:H2tObes wrote:I think Oladipo is clearly behind Gobert/Giannis in terms of trade value, but thats just me
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"Clearly" that's just you.
I find it clearly so as well, for all the reasons explained.
thanks for agreeing

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H2tObes wrote:Magic_Johnny12 wrote:H2tObes wrote:I think Oladipo is clearly behind Gobert/Giannis in terms of trade value, but thats just me
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"Clearly" that's just you.
Ok! Just my opinion..don't think it's all that hard to believe calm down lad. Both of these guys are surefire all defensive team caliber defenders. Big guys who can defend will always hold more value to me than an above average SG. Giannis has all the potential in the world and I would bet on Gobert winning multiple DPOY awards.
Oladipo hasn't even had that great of a season outside of these last two games...easy choice of Giannis/Gobert over him for me like I said
one of 2 players averaging 17/4/4+ (the other being Harden), but yea, he hasnt had a great season. oh, and with bad coaching too
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tiderulz wrote:H2tObes wrote:Magic_Johnny12 wrote:
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"Clearly" that's just you.
Ok! Just my opinion..don't think it's all that hard to believe calm down lad. Both of these guys are surefire all defensive team caliber defenders. Big guys who can defend will always hold more value to me than an above average SG. Giannis has all the potential in the world and I would bet on Gobert winning multiple DPOY awards.
Oladipo hasn't even had that great of a season outside of these last two games...easy choice of Giannis/Gobert over him for me like I said
one of 2 players averaging 17/4/4+ (the other being Harden), but yea, he hasnt had a great season.
Those are above average SG numbers, just like I said. Aaron Afflalo would probably be putting up extremely similar numbers as the first option on that team. Oladipo is good, I like him. But I think he ends up being a 3rd option on a championship team type of player. I simply think Giannis and Gobert can have more impact than that
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H2tObes wrote:tiderulz wrote:H2tObes wrote:Ok! Just my opinion..don't think it's all that hard to believe calm down lad. Both of these guys are surefire all defensive team caliber defenders. Big guys who can defend will always hold more value to me than an above average SG. Giannis has all the potential in the world and I would bet on Gobert winning multiple DPOY awards.
Oladipo hasn't even had that great of a season outside of these last two games...easy choice of Giannis/Gobert over him for me like I said
one of 2 players averaging 17/4/4+ (the other being Harden), but yea, he hasnt had a great season.
Those are above average SG numbers, just like I said. Aaron Afflalo would probably be putting up extremely similar numbers as the first option on that team. Oladipo is good, I like him. But I think he ends up being a 3rd option on a championship team type of player. I simply think Giannis and Gobert can have more impact than that
above average numbers that only 1 other person is doing. and he is having a bad season. also provides very good defense, a true 2 way player. Something that Gobert isnt. And producing more than Giannis is on a nightly basis.

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tiderulz wrote:H2tObes wrote:tiderulz wrote:
one of 2 players averaging 17/4/4+ (the other being Harden), but yea, he hasnt had a great season.
Those are above average SG numbers, just like I said. Aaron Afflalo would probably be putting up extremely similar numbers as the first option on that team. Oladipo is good, I like him. But I think he ends up being a 3rd option on a championship team type of player. I simply think Giannis and Gobert can have more impact than that
above average numbers that only 1 other person is doing. and he is having a bad season. also provides very good defense, a true 2 way player. Something that Gobert isnt. And producing more than Giannis is on a nightly basis.
Sorry but 17/4/4 really doesn't impress me all that much as the first option on a bad team

Gobert needs to be nothing more than a garbage man on offense. His defense will be something the league has seen very few times before.
Not even gonna start with the Giannis **** storm. Giannis is plenty good right now and 2 years younger. Lets leave it at that
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H2tObes wrote:tiderulz wrote:H2tObes wrote:Those are above average SG numbers, just like I said. Aaron Afflalo would probably be putting up extremely similar numbers as the first option on that team. Oladipo is good, I like him. But I think he ends up being a 3rd option on a championship team type of player. I simply think Giannis and Gobert can have more impact than that
above average numbers that only 1 other person is doing. and he is having a bad season. also provides very good defense, a true 2 way player. Something that Gobert isnt. And producing more than Giannis is on a nightly basis.
Sorry but 17/4/4 really doesn't impress me all that much as the first option on a bad team
Gobert needs to be nothing more than a garbage man on offense. His defense will be something the league has seen very few times before.
Not even gonna start with the Giannis **** storm. Giannis is plenty good right now and 2 years younger. Lets leave it at that
shows you dont know the team, since he isnt the 1st choice on the Magic, Vucevic is.
and you talk about Dipo not having a great season, its a better season than Giannis is having.
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tiderulz wrote:H2tObes wrote:tiderulz wrote:
above average numbers that only 1 other person is doing. and he is having a bad season. also provides very good defense, a true 2 way player. Something that Gobert isnt. And producing more than Giannis is on a nightly basis.
Sorry but 17/4/4 really doesn't impress me all that much as the first option on a bad team
Gobert needs to be nothing more than a garbage man on offense. His defense will be something the league has seen very few times before.
Not even gonna start with the Giannis **** storm. Giannis is plenty good right now and 2 years younger. Lets leave it at that
shows you dont know the team, since he isnt the 1st choice on the Magic, Vucevic is.
and you talk about Dipo not having a great season, its a better season than Giannis is having.
Thanks for agreeing

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H2tObes wrote:HartfordWhalers wrote:Magic_Johnny12 wrote:
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"Clearly" that's just you.
I find it clearly so as well, for all the reasons explained.
thanks for agreeing
FWIW, me too.
Giannis is 1, then Noel/Gobert/Dipo in some order. I'd put Dipo last just because I'd rather a big over a small. Giannis to me has a much higher ceiling and is pretty similar if not better to me production wise given defense and team role.
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tiderulz wrote:H2tObes wrote:Magic_Johnny12 wrote:
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"Clearly" that's just you.
Ok! Just my opinion..don't think it's all that hard to believe calm down lad. Both of these guys are surefire all defensive team caliber defenders. Big guys who can defend will always hold more value to me than an above average SG. Giannis has all the potential in the world and I would bet on Gobert winning multiple DPOY awards.
Oladipo hasn't even had that great of a season outside of these last two games...easy choice of Giannis/Gobert over him for me like I said
one of 2 players averaging 17/4/4+ (the other being Harden), but yea, he hasnt had a great season. oh, and with bad coaching too
Incorrect. Gordon Hayward averages 20, 5, and 4 this season. Lebron is 26, 7, and 6. I'm sure there are others. I like Oladipo, but this post is simply wrong.
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There's an apples-to-apples comparison here that no one has made yet — MCW, who hasn't received a single vote in this poll, just got traded for the Laker's top-5 protected pick, so his trade value has been established (and that was quite a haul, even considering the risk that the pick doesn't get conveyed until next year and winds up being lower). So, who on this list would fetch a better asset than (potentially) the #6 pick in this draft? I'm honestly not sure about Gobert and Noel, and I suspect ORL would want more for Oladipo, but I'm 100% certain MIL would demand far more than that for Giannis. Remember, this is trade value, NOT production, and his youth and upside just put him on another level than the other options, IMHO.
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Id also put Gobert and Giannis over Oladipo. Noel is probably above Oladipo's trade value as well.
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