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Roy Hibbert to the Celtics

for

Gerald Wallace, Kelly Olynyk, James Young, Brooklyn's 2016 1st round pick, Miami's 2016 2nd round pick, and Cleveland's 2016 2nd round pick

Boston gets their center
Indiana resets and starts stockpiling picks and young players

The C's say no.

Hibbert isn't worth all that

With the Brooklyn pick out, the value would not be too far off.

Allthough James Young hasn't produced anything meaningful during his rookie campaign, i think the front office likes his potential as a shooter in the future. I don't think they're willing to give up on his potential after one season, he's still 19 years old.

We have other assets so if Indy is willing to move Hibbert and Boston is interested, there is a way to make it happen, as constructed i don't think Boston would take the deal.

If bird was going to hit the reset botton he would have done it half a year ago when they knew George was out.

This makes no sense.

When did Hibbert gain all this value?

Take out the 1st and Young and that's a little more possible.

If Bird could get all that for Hibbert then sure. But he can't and its not Bird's way to rebuild just to rebuild.

Magic_Johnny12 wrote:When did Hibbert gain all this value?

Take out the 1st and Young and that's a little more possible.

So, Hibbert for Gerald Wallace and Olynyk? That's possible? For Boston, sure. Not for anyone else receiving that package.

Just a bad match I think...

I think Pacers will look into trading Hibbert, but not for a rebuilding package. Good young player who fits Paul G's window, rather than some far away draft pick.

OTOH, I think Celtics save their stockpile of assets for a star type of player, someone to build around. Most decidedly, Hibbert isn't that type of player. These teams aren't good trading partners IMO.

Magic_Johnny12 wrote:When did Hibbert gain all this value?

Take out the 1st and Young and that's a little more possible.

Then there's almost nothing worthwhile coming back. Hibbert doesn't have great value right now but a useless expiring and a bench level prospect that doesn't fit Indy's style at all isn't going to come close to doing it.

rein08 wrote:http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6575221

Roy Hibbert to the Celtics

for

Gerald Wallace, Kelly Olynyk, James Young, Brooklyn's 2016 1st round pick, Miami's 2016 2nd round pick, and Cleveland's 2016 2nd round pick

Boston gets their center
Indiana resets and starts stockpiling picks and young players

Really? G Wallace's contract diminishes the value of Olynick.. the ONLY real asset. 2016... is not NOW.... late #2 picks? that's minor. Hibbert is a 7-3 starting C. He stays healthy. He factors on offense and D. Whn George is healthy.... the Pacers CAN aim high but... they do need to have what Hibbert does. Boston gets their Center? Well..yeah.. but why does Indy LOSE their C to upgrade another East team? Boston trying to dump Wallace.. pad this with picks and fillers that are rather expendable.. won't fool anyone. If Indy wants to trade Hibbert... there's more than just Boston making bids. This ain't shopping a yard sale.

Ainge laughs. He might give Wallace and Olynyk plus a late first rounder. That's all. Hibbert is inconsistent and overpaid.

Wrong direction. Indiana is win now, and Boston is rebuilding until further notice.

Curmudgeon wrote: Hibbert is inconsistent

This is something that I will never understand. He's inconsistent on offense outside of free throws, but no team should be relying on him for offense. With the exception of when the team fell apart last year, he's consistently been a top 3 defensive center and at times the best in the league. The team this year has been consistently in the top 10 at worst in pretty much any defensive metric. Only thing we're not among the leaders in is opponent 3pt %, which has nothing to do with Hibbert.

This season we lost one of the best perimeter defenders in the league (PG), lost about half a season of George Hill, and lost a bunch of games from West. We routinely started guys who are horrible on defense like Sloan, Watson, Miles, Scola, Rudez, and Copeland. The only guy other than Hibbert who we've been able to rely on for most of the season is Solomon Hill, who is a good defender, but is a 2nd year player who didn't really play last year.

Hibbert has been doing his thing defensively for 3+ seasons now consistently. Guys like Miles and Scola didn't just magically turn into good defenders. You take Hibbert out and Indy ends up at best an average defensive team if everyone buys in to the system.

MotownMadness wrote:Hibbert isn't worth all that

All of what exactly? Olynk and mid first round pick? Because Wallace, Young and two second round picks are pure garbage.

jbk1234 wrote:

MotownMadness wrote:Hibbert isn't worth all that

All of what exactly? Olynk and mid first round pick? Because Wallace, Young and two second round picks are pure garbage.

I'm not a Young superfan like some of my fellow Boston fans, but calling him garbage is foolishness. He's one of, if not the, youngest players in the league. He's shown flashes. Basically what you expect from the 17th pick. Wallace has next to no value. And neither of those picks will likely be any good.

I have to disagree on the Brooklyn pick. That has a good chance of being a middle lottery pick. I don't see Brooklyn getting any better next year, while teams behind them should improve.

Mostly, my problem is that Hibbert's value just isn't worth 6 of anything really. Olynyk and Young are good younger prospects and one good pick. Wallace is a throw in to make the math work. The picks are the payment for eating Wallace. I would just rather see the Celtics use their assets and space in other ways.

I wouldn't move a Brooklyn pick, but Olynk/Young/clippers pick is reasonable.

Smitty731 wrote:

jbk1234 wrote:

MotownMadness wrote:Hibbert isn't worth all that

All of what exactly? Olynk and mid first round pick? Because Wallace, Young and two second round picks are pure garbage.

I'm not a Young superfan like some of my fellow Boston fans, but calling him garbage is foolishness. He's one of, if not the, youngest players in the league. He's shown flashes. Basically what you expect from the 17th pick. Wallace has next to no value. And neither of those picks will likely be any good.

I have to disagree on the Brooklyn pick. That has a good chance of being a middle lottery pick. I don't see Brooklyn getting any better next year, while teams behind them should improve.

Mostly, my problem is that Hibbert's value just isn't worth 6 of anything really. Olynyk and Young are good younger prospects and one good pick. Wallace is a throw in to make the math work. The picks are the payment for eating Wallace. I would just rather see the Celtics use their assets and space in other ways.

But they don't have that much space with Wallace on their roster and they are going to have to give value to get rid of him.

The Nets are difficult to predict. I think Brook opts out and signs elsewhere but they have zero incentive to tank. That's the downside of them having traded all of their picks (which is what pick swapping essentially is). They've been snake bitten this season and are holding onto that 8 seed at the moment.

I think Hibbert on the Celtics makes your team dangerous. His contract looks more and more reasonable when you are looking at what DeAndre Jordan and Bismack are likely to get in FA. There are like five late lottery teams who all think they are drafting WCS. Four of them aren't getting him.

jbk1234 wrote:

Smitty731 wrote:

jbk1234 wrote:
All of what exactly? Olynk and mid first round pick? Because Wallace, Young and two second round picks are pure garbage.

I'm not a Young superfan like some of my fellow Boston fans, but calling him garbage is foolishness. He's one of, if not the, youngest players in the league. He's shown flashes. Basically what you expect from the 17th pick. Wallace has next to no value. And neither of those picks will likely be any good.

I have to disagree on the Brooklyn pick. That has a good chance of being a middle lottery pick. I don't see Brooklyn getting any better next year, while teams behind them should improve.

Mostly, my problem is that Hibbert's value just isn't worth 6 of anything really. Olynyk and Young are good younger prospects and one good pick. Wallace is a throw in to make the math work. The picks are the payment for eating Wallace. I would just rather see the Celtics use their assets and space in other ways.

But they don't have that much space with Wallace on their roster and they are going to have to give value to get rid of him.

The Nets are difficult to predict. I think Brook opts out and signs elsewhere but they have zero incentive to tank. That's the downside of them having traded all of their picks (which is what pick swapping essentially is). They've been snake bitten this season and are holding onto that 8 seed at the moment.

I think Hibbert on the Celtics makes your team dangerous. His contract looks more and more reasonable when you are looking at what DeAndre Jordan and Bismack are likely to get in FA. There are like five late lottery teams who all think they are drafting WCS. Four of them aren't getting him.

The Celtics can fairly easily get to enough space to make someone a max offer. And that is with keeping Wallace on the roster. They don't have a single bad contract besides Wallace. And next year he'll be an expiring. They don't need to do anything with his contract to have enough space to improve the team.