Trade rumors revisited

[dragula15]

Now the dust has settled after the draft and teams are forming their camp squads, what do you guys all see happening with the few players that were heavily rumored to be moved as we get closer to the season starting?

To jog your memory, some of the names include:

ATL - Dennis Schroder
BOS - Kelly Olynyk, Jared Sullinger, Evan Turner, Avery Bradley
BKN - Joe Johnson, Jarett Jack
CHA - Marvin Williams
CHI - Taj Gibson, Kirk Hinrich
CLE - ?
DAL - Raymond Felton
DEN - JJ Hickson, Kostas Papanikolaou
DET - Brandon Jennings
GSW - ?
HOU - Patrick Beverley, Terrence Jones
IND - ?
LAC - Jamal Crawford, C.J. Wilcox
LAL - Nick Young
MEM - Jeff Green
MIA - Mario Chalmers, Chris Andersen, Josh McRoberts, Luol Deng
MIL - O.J. Mayo, Jerryd Bayless, John Henson, Miles Plumlee
MIN - Ricky Rubio, Nikola Pekovic, Kevin Martin, Anthony Bennett
NOP - Ryan Anderson, Tyreke Evans, Eric Gordon
NYK - Jose Calderon
OKC - Dion Waiters, Steve Novak
ORL - Evan Fournier, Channing Frye, Andrew Nicholson
PHI - Carl Landry, Gerald Wallace, Tony Wroten, Isaiah Canaan
PHX - Markieff Morris
POR - Chris Kaman, Gerald Henderson
SAC - Darren Collison, DeMarcus Cousins
SAS - ?
TOR - Terrence Ross, Patrick Patterson, DeMar DeRozan, Kyle Lowry
UTA - Trey Burke
WAS - Garrett Temple, Martell Webster, DeJuan Blair

[bondom34]

For OKC, never heard rumors about anyone other than Novak. And don't think he gets moved now.

[dragula15]

For OKC, never heard rumors about anyone other than Novak. And don't think he gets moved now.

Sure, all off the top of my head anyway!

[nba2k16]

Now the dust has settled after the draft and teams are forming their camp squads, what do you guys all see happening with the few players that were heavily rumored to be moved as we get closer to the season starting?

To jog your memory, some of the names include:

ATL - Dennis Schroder Regresses this year and trade value goes down so he does not get traded despite popular belief he will be gone
BOS - Kelly Olynyk, Jared Sullinger, Evan Turner, Avery Bradley Consolidated in a pkg to get DMC
BKN - Joe Johnson, Jarett Jack JJ bought out at season's end for some $ savings and he signed with a contender
CHA - Marvin Williams Swapped for Jason Thompson in GSW midseason
CHI - Taj Gibson, Kirk Hinrich Taj Gibson stays since they let Noah go in the offseason. Hinrich no one wants
CLE - ? Use TPE to acquire DeRozan from Toronto
DAL - Raymond Felton OKC so desperate to dump Waiters they trade him for Felton. DAL takes a shot at a young guy
DEN - JJ Hickson, Kostas Papanikolaou No takers for Hickson. They keep Papa cause he actually becomes a good rotation player for them as Chandler and Danillo both experience injury concerns
DET - Brandon Jennings, Kentavious-Caldwell Pope KCP finds his role and Jennings embraces bench role although SVG actively tries to trade him for a wing player to no avail
GSW - ? Trade Jason Thompson for Marvin Williams midseason
HOU - Patrick Beverley, Terrence Jones TJones to PHX for Kieff in buy low move (like Lawson). Bev stays to complement Lawson and Harden
IND - ? Nothing major
LAC - Jamal Crawford, C.J. Wilcox Crawford (+Wilcox) + 1st to MIN for Martin and a 2nd
LAL - Nick Young He stays, can't move him, but is a huge distraction all year with his crazy antics
MEM - Jeff Green To Miami for Deng to another nice defender for them to use in the playoffs
MIA - Mario Chalmers, Chris Andersen, Josh McRoberts, Luol Deng Chalmers and Birdman dumped to Philly and Deng to MEM for Green to get younger, faster
MIL - O.J. Mayo, Jerryd Bayless, John Henson, Miles Plumlee Great bench guys, they ALL stay put
MIN - Ricky Rubio, Nikola Pekovic, Kevin Martin, Anthony Bennett Martin + 2nd to LAC for Crawford and a 1st. Bennett to Portland for them to take a chance. Other guys stay put
NOP - Ryan Anderson, Tyreke Evans, Eric Gordon All stay put as Gentry finds a way to utilize them all in a well thought out offensive system that dominates
NYK - Jose Calderon Stays put, no takers, vet placeholder till Grant gets developed
OKC - Dion Waiters, Steve Novak, D.J. Augustin, Andre Roberson Get so fed up with Waiters midseason they dump him to DAL for Felton. Other guys stay put and are contributors.
ORL - Evan Fournier, Channing Frye, Andrew Nicholson All stay put although GSW considers a Thompson for Frye swap but elects for Marvin Williams instead
PHI - Carl Landry, Gerald Wallace, Tony Wroten, Isaiah Canaan Let them all expire but take on Chalmers and Birdman from Miami in exchange for future picks all at the deadline so it costs them very little in real $
PHX - Markieff Morris to Houston in another buy low Morey move with T Jones going other way
POR - Chris Kaman, Gerald Henderson In a surprise move, trade Kaman to SAS for Diaw and his contract and a 1st (See SAS below for details). Take a chance by absorbing Bennett to see what he can do
SAC - Darren Collison, DeMarcus Cousins DMC to Boston, Lowry from Toronto for Rondo expiring and picks
SAS - ? In a surprise move, Diaw gets lazy and sloppy again and SAS finds they really need some more size to play some C to reduce the Burden on Duncan, West and LMA to play C. Therefore, they trade Diaw and a future 1st to Portland for Kaman. Kaman gives them 25 minutes at C which reduces heavy workload for Duncan during regular season.
TOR - Terrence Ross, Patrick Patterson, DeMar DeRozan, Kyle Lowry Blow it up, DeRozan to Cleveland for TPE, Lowry to SAC for Rondo expiring and picks, Patterson to Washington for Webster contract + Picks
UTA - Trey Burke, Alec Burks, Rodney Hood Stick with the kids and see what they can do. Get Temple from Washington for nothing to placehold for Exum.
WAS - Garrett Temple, Martell Webster, DeJuan Blair Temple to UTAH, Webster contract to Toronto for Patrick Patterson to get stretch 4 beside Gortat

[Diop]

I didnt know Marv was heavily rumoured? I know we shopped Zeller and Vonleh.
I can't see great value for Marv

[dragula15]

haha I love it, you must be clairvoyant

[bondom34]

Now the dust has settled after the draft and teams are forming their camp squads, what do you guys all see happening with the few players that were heavily rumored to be moved as we get closer to the season starting?

To jog your memory, some of the names include:

ATL - Dennis Schroder Regresses this year and trade value goes down so he does not get traded despite popular belief he will be gone
BOS - Kelly Olynyk, Jared Sullinger, Evan Turner, Avery Bradley Consolidated in a pkg to get DMC
BKN - Joe Johnson, Jarett Jack JJ bought out at season's end for some $ savings and he signed with a contender
CHA - Marvin Williams Swapped for Jason Thompson in GSW midseason
CHI - Taj Gibson, Kirk Hinrich Taj Gibson stays since they let Noah go in the offseason. Hinrich no one wants
CLE - ? Use TPE to acquire DeRozan from Toronto
DAL - Raymond Felton OKC so desperate to dump Waiters they trade him for Felton. DAL takes a shot at a young guy
DEN - JJ Hickson, Kostas Papanikolaou No takers for Hickson. They keep Papa cause he actually becomes a good rotation player for them as Chandler and Danillo both experience injury concerns
DET - Brandon Jennings, Kentavious-Caldwell Pope KCP finds his role and Jennings embraces bench role although SVG actively tries to trade him for a wing player to no avail
GSW - ? Trade Jason Thompson for Marvin Williams midseason
HOU - Patrick Beverley, Terrence Jones TJones to PHX for Kieff in buy low move (like Lawson). Bev stays to complement Lawson and Harden
IND - ? Nothing major
LAC - Jamal Crawford, C.J. Wilcox Crawford (+Wilcox) + 1st to MIN for Martin and a 2nd
LAL - Nick Young He stays, can't move him, but is a huge distraction all year with his crazy antics
MEM - Jeff Green To Miami for Deng to another nice defender for them to use in the playoffs
MIA - Mario Chalmers, Chris Andersen, Josh McRoberts, Luol Deng Chalmers and Birdman dumped to Philly and Deng to MEM for Green to get younger, faster
MIL - O.J. Mayo, Jerryd Bayless, John Henson, Miles Plumlee Great bench guys, they ALL stay put
MIN - Ricky Rubio, Nikola Pekovic, Kevin Martin, Anthony Bennett Martin + 2nd to LAC for Crawford and a 1st. Bennett to Portland for them to take a chance. Other guys stay put
NOP - Ryan Anderson, Tyreke Evans, Eric Gordon All stay put as Gentry finds a way to utilize them all in a well thought out offensive system that dominates
NYK - Jose Calderon Stays put, no takers, vet placeholder till Grant gets developed
OKC - Dion Waiters, Steve Novak, D.J. Augustin, Andre Roberson Get so fed up with Waiters midseason they dump him to DAL for Felton. Other guys stay put and are contributors.
ORL - Evan Fournier, Channing Frye, Andrew Nicholson All stay put although GSW considers a Thompson for Frye swap but elects for Marvin Williams instead
PHI - Carl Landry, Gerald Wallace, Tony Wroten, Isaiah Canaan Let them all expire but take on Chalmers and Birdman from Miami in exchange for future picks all at the deadline so it costs them very little in real $
PHX - Markieff Morris to Houston in another buy low Morey move with T Jones going other way
POR - Chris Kaman, Gerald Henderson In a surprise move, trade Kaman to SAS for Diaw and his contract and a 1st (See SAS below for details). Take a chance by absorbing Bennett to see what he can do
SAC - Darren Collison, DeMarcus Cousins DMC to Boston, Lowry from Toronto for Rondo expiring and picks
SAS - ? In a surprise move, Diaw gets lazy and sloppy again and SAS finds they really need some more size to play some C to reduce the Burden on Duncan, West and LMA to play C. Therefore, they trade Diaw and a future 1st to Portland for Kaman. Kaman gives them 25 minutes at C which reduces heavy workload for Duncan during regular season.
TOR - Terrence Ross, Patrick Patterson, DeMar DeRozan, Kyle Lowry Blow it up, DeRozan to Cleveland for TPE, Lowry to SAC for Rondo expiring and picks, Patterson to Washington for Webster contract + Picks
UTA - Trey Burke, Alec Burks, Rodney Hood Stick with the kids and see what they can do. Get Temple from Washington for nothing to placehold for Exum.
WAS - Garrett Temple, Martell Webster, DeJuan Blair Temple to UTAH, Webster contract to Toronto for Patrick Patterson to get stretch 4 beside Gortat

OKC won't dump Waiters, even if I'd like it. And BKN won't buy out JJ, he's expiring.

[nba2k16]

Now the dust has settled after the draft and teams are forming their camp squads, what do you guys all see happening with the few players that were heavily rumored to be moved as we get closer to the season starting?

To jog your memory, some of the names include:

ATL - Dennis Schroder Regresses this year and trade value goes down so he does not get traded despite popular belief he will be gone
BOS - Kelly Olynyk, Jared Sullinger, Evan Turner, Avery Bradley Consolidated in a pkg to get DMC
BKN - Joe Johnson, Jarett Jack JJ bought out at season's end for some $ savings and he signed with a contender
CHA - Marvin Williams Swapped for Jason Thompson in GSW midseason
CHI - Taj Gibson, Kirk Hinrich Taj Gibson stays since they let Noah go in the offseason. Hinrich no one wants
CLE - ? Use TPE to acquire DeRozan from Toronto
DAL - Raymond Felton OKC so desperate to dump Waiters they trade him for Felton. DAL takes a shot at a young guy
DEN - JJ Hickson, Kostas Papanikolaou No takers for Hickson. They keep Papa cause he actually becomes a good rotation player for them as Chandler and Danillo both experience injury concerns
DET - Brandon Jennings, Kentavious-Caldwell Pope KCP finds his role and Jennings embraces bench role although SVG actively tries to trade him for a wing player to no avail
GSW - ? Trade Jason Thompson for Marvin Williams midseason
HOU - Patrick Beverley, Terrence Jones TJones to PHX for Kieff in buy low move (like Lawson). Bev stays to complement Lawson and Harden
IND - ? Nothing major
LAC - Jamal Crawford, C.J. Wilcox Crawford (+Wilcox) + 1st to MIN for Martin and a 2nd
LAL - Nick Young He stays, can't move him, but is a huge distraction all year with his crazy antics
MEM - Jeff Green To Miami for Deng to another nice defender for them to use in the playoffs
MIA - Mario Chalmers, Chris Andersen, Josh McRoberts, Luol Deng Chalmers and Birdman dumped to Philly and Deng to MEM for Green to get younger, faster
MIL - O.J. Mayo, Jerryd Bayless, John Henson, Miles Plumlee Great bench guys, they ALL stay put
MIN - Ricky Rubio, Nikola Pekovic, Kevin Martin, Anthony Bennett Martin + 2nd to LAC for Crawford and a 1st. Bennett to Portland for them to take a chance. Other guys stay put
NOP - Ryan Anderson, Tyreke Evans, Eric Gordon All stay put as Gentry finds a way to utilize them all in a well thought out offensive system that dominates
NYK - Jose Calderon Stays put, no takers, vet placeholder till Grant gets developed
OKC - Dion Waiters, Steve Novak, D.J. Augustin, Andre Roberson Get so fed up with Waiters midseason they dump him to DAL for Felton. Other guys stay put and are contributors.
ORL - Evan Fournier, Channing Frye, Andrew Nicholson All stay put although GSW considers a Thompson for Frye swap but elects for Marvin Williams instead
PHI - Carl Landry, Gerald Wallace, Tony Wroten, Isaiah Canaan Let them all expire but take on Chalmers and Birdman from Miami in exchange for future picks all at the deadline so it costs them very little in real $
PHX - Markieff Morris to Houston in another buy low Morey move with T Jones going other way
POR - Chris Kaman, Gerald Henderson In a surprise move, trade Kaman to SAS for Diaw and his contract and a 1st (See SAS below for details). Take a chance by absorbing Bennett to see what he can do
SAC - Darren Collison, DeMarcus Cousins DMC to Boston, Lowry from Toronto for Rondo expiring and picks
SAS - ? In a surprise move, Diaw gets lazy and sloppy again and SAS finds they really need some more size to play some C to reduce the Burden on Duncan, West and LMA to play C. Therefore, they trade Diaw and a future 1st to Portland for Kaman. Kaman gives them 25 minutes at C which reduces heavy workload for Duncan during regular season.
TOR - Terrence Ross, Patrick Patterson, DeMar DeRozan, Kyle Lowry Blow it up, DeRozan to Cleveland for TPE, Lowry to SAC for Rondo expiring and picks, Patterson to Washington for Webster contract + Picks
UTA - Trey Burke, Alec Burks, Rodney Hood Stick with the kids and see what they can do. Get Temple from Washington for nothing to placehold for Exum.
WAS - Garrett Temple, Martell Webster, DeJuan Blair Temple to UTAH, Webster contract to Toronto for Patrick Patterson to get stretch 4 beside Gortat

OKC won't dump Waiters, even if I'd like it. And BKN won't buy out JJ, he's expiring.

With regards to the buyout, I meant it more like a Stoudemire type situation. Where it's the end of the season, JJ has indicated he isn't interesting in coming back and they haven't found any trade partners, so they just buy him out way at the end of the season and he signs with a contender, since he's expiring anyway so the team can save a few million and JJ can sign last minute to a contender and then test free agency like he normally would

[bondom34]

OKC won't dump Waiters, even if I'd like it. And BKN won't buy out JJ, he's expiring.

With regards to the buyout, I meant it more like a Stoudemire type situation. Where it's the end of the season, JJ has indicated he isn't interesting in coming back and they haven't found any trade partners, so they just buy him out way at the end of the season and he signs with a contender, since he's expiring anyway so the team can save a few million and JJ can sign last minute to a contender and then test free agency like he normally would

It wouldn't save anything though, they still would have to pay him to just go away. And pay a lot.

[nba2k16]

OKC won't dump Waiters, even if I'd like it. And BKN won't buy out JJ, he's expiring.

With regards to the buyout, I meant it more like a Stoudemire type situation. Where it's the end of the season, JJ has indicated he isn't interesting in coming back and they haven't found any trade partners, so they just buy him out way at the end of the season and he signs with a contender, since he's expiring anyway so the team can save a few million and JJ can sign last minute to a contender and then test free agency like he normally would

It wouldn't save anything though, they still would have to pay him to just go away. And pay a lot.

Well It's more like this. It's the trade deadline and there are no takers for Joe Johnson (hypothetical). Joe Johnson tells Brookyln it's highly unlikely he is resigning with them. He has about $6 million left on his contract and he tells management he will agree to buyout the rest of his contract for $3 million. Brooklyn sees that they can't trade him and he is not coming back, so they agree to the buyout and they save $3 million (irrelevant to the cap, just straight cash savings for a guy who's leaving). Then JJ takes the $3 mil hit (not much for him) and signs a prorated vet min contract with a contender of his choice. He still enters free agency next summer and can demand a bigger contract.

Almost identical to Stoudemire (except that Stoudemire didnt' get a big contract after going to free agency).

[bondom34]

With regards to the buyout, I meant it more like a Stoudemire type situation. Where it's the end of the season, JJ has indicated he isn't interesting in coming back and they haven't found any trade partners, so they just buy him out way at the end of the season and he signs with a contender, since he's expiring anyway so the team can save a few million and JJ can sign last minute to a contender and then test free agency like he normally would

It wouldn't save anything though, they still would have to pay him to just go away. And pay a lot.

Well It's more like this. It's the trade deadline and there are no takers for Joe Johnson (hypothetical). Joe Johnson tells Brookyln it's highly unlikely he is resigning with them. He has about $6 million left on his contract and he tells management he will agree to buyout the rest of his contract for $3 million. Brooklyn sees that they can't trade him and he is not coming back, so they agree to the buyout and they save $3 million (irrelevant to the cap, just straight cash savings for a guy who's leaving). Then JJ takes the $3 mil hit (not much for him) and signs a prorated vet min contract with a contender of his choice. He still enters free agency next summer and can demand a bigger contract.

Almost identical to Stoudemire (except that Stoudemire didnt' get a big contract after going to free agency).

Except NY also did it for tax reasons, the Nets are out, and Amare took the full amount anyway. So its even less likely and there's no reason for it.

[nba2k16]

It wouldn't save anything though, they still would have to pay him to just go away. And pay a lot.

Well It's more like this. It's the trade deadline and there are no takers for Joe Johnson (hypothetical). Joe Johnson tells Brookyln it's highly unlikely he is resigning with them. He has about $6 million left on his contract and he tells management he will agree to buyout the rest of his contract for $3 million. Brooklyn sees that they can't trade him and he is not coming back, so they agree to the buyout and they save $3 million (irrelevant to the cap, just straight cash savings for a guy who's leaving). Then JJ takes the $3 mil hit (not much for him) and signs a prorated vet min contract with a contender of his choice. He still enters free agency next summer and can demand a bigger contract.

Almost identical to Stoudemire (except that Stoudemire didnt' get a big contract after going to free agency).

Except NY also did it for tax reasons, the Nets are out, and Amare took the full amount anyway. So its even less likely and there's no reason for it.

Wouldn't say no reason. Brooklyn could do it just to cut their losses a bit and get some $ while JJ proposes it because he wants a shot at a ring this year (not saying he is a ring chasing old guy, but who wouldn't want to take a chance at a ring right?).

[bondom34]

Well It's more like this. It's the trade deadline and there are no takers for Joe Johnson (hypothetical). Joe Johnson tells Brookyln it's highly unlikely he is resigning with them. He has about $6 million left on his contract and he tells management he will agree to buyout the rest of his contract for $3 million. Brooklyn sees that they can't trade him and he is not coming back, so they agree to the buyout and they save $3 million (irrelevant to the cap, just straight cash savings for a guy who's leaving). Then JJ takes the $3 mil hit (not much for him) and signs a prorated vet min contract with a contender of his choice. He still enters free agency next summer and can demand a bigger contract.

Almost identical to Stoudemire (except that Stoudemire didnt' get a big contract after going to free agency).

Except NY also did it for tax reasons, the Nets are out, and Amare took the full amount anyway. So its even less likely and there's no reason for it.

Wouldn't say no reason. Brooklyn could do it just to cut their losses a bit and get some $ while JJ proposes it because he wants a shot at a ring this year (not saying he is a ring chasing old guy, but who wouldn't want to take a chance at a ring right?).

Except again Brooklyn saves basically nothing, and also JJ seems happy there.

[nba2k16]

Except NY also did it for tax reasons, the Nets are out, and Amare took the full amount anyway. So its even less likely and there's no reason for it.

Wouldn't say no reason. Brooklyn could do it just to cut their losses a bit and get some $ while JJ proposes it because he wants a shot at a ring this year (not saying he is a ring chasing old guy, but who wouldn't want to take a chance at a ring right?).

Except again Brooklyn saves basically nothing, and also JJ seems happy there.

$3 mil is decent money. Worth it if there is barely no cost of doing so.

And I'm not saying JJ wouldn't be happy with Brooklyn or isn't happy now. He would probably ask them with respect and present the idea logically to them, and leave to his new team with respect for the Nets organization. Ultimately though he is doing it to get a chance at a ring, not because he doesn't like the Nets

[stitches]

UTA - Trey Burke, Alec Burks, Rodney Hood

I haven't heard a single rumor including Burks or Hood.

There were rumors around the draft that Jazz are trying to package Burke and our pick to move up, but it didn't happen. According to some rumors he was also shopped for a rotation player(don't know what position), but Dennis Lindsey didn't want to include a future first to do it.

All of those were before the injury to Exum and I'm not sure they are willing to move him right now unless a PG is coming back in the deal.

[dragula15]

UTA - Trey Burke, Alec Burks, Rodney Hood

I haven't heard a single rumor including Burks or Hood.

There were rumors around the draft that the are Jazz trying to package Burke and our pick to move up, but it didn't happen. According to some rumors he was also shopped for a rotation player(don't know what position), but Dennis Lindsey didn't want to include a future first to do it.

All of those were before the injury to Exum and I'm not sure they are willing to move him right now unless a PG is coming back in the deal.

Thanks for the clarification - I'll take out some of the names mentioned above from the list. Good to see team-specific perspectives.

[Chris Porter's Hair]

The Lakers, after consulting with Swaggy P to assess his value, trade him for himself. They get the worse end of the deal.

[NBADraft2003]

Luol was never rumored to be traded this offseason.

[Dr Positivity]

I see Cousins ending up on the Lakers for their farm. He has the ability to push the trade demand button and I don't see the Lakers having the patience to say no to getting Cousins as it would give them the illusion they will sign FAs in 2016 and 2017. This looks like Carmelo going to the Knicks

[spearsy23]

For OKC, never heard rumors about anyone other than Novak. And don't think he gets moved now.

Sure, all off the top of my head anyway!

There has been a lot of Waiters trade talk, but it's all because most of us fans just don't want to see him on the court this year. The org seems to still like him.