NOP/PHI/ORL/PHO

Laimbeer · Post #1 » by **Laimbeer** » Sun Mar 6, 2016 5:35 pm

NOP: #6 for Vuc - offensive presence who AD can cover on D

PHI: Noel, #1, #22 for Dipo, Payton, Warren, #3, #6 - build a young perimeter

ORL: Vuc, Dipo, Payton, #11 for Booker, Noel - shot blocking presence and added shooting

PHO: #3, Booker, and Warren for #1, #11, #22 - potential franchise player

Post #2 » by **HartfordWhalers** » Sun Mar 6, 2016 5:42 pm

Laimbeer wrote:NOP: #6 for Vuc - offensive presence who AD can cover on D

PHI: Noel, #1, #22 for Dipo, Payton, Warren, #3, #6 - build a young perimeter

ORL: Vuc, Dipo, Payton, #11 for Booker, Noel - shot blocking presence and added shooting

PHO: #3, Booker, and Warren for #1, #11, #22 - potential franchise player

I don't see Philly being willing to trade the #1 for anything reasonable at all. Same for pretty much all teams.
I don't see NOP doing 6 and cap space for Vuc. Especially not with Asik still on the books, and holes everywhere else.
For Orlando I think the fits are perfect but if the other teams say no it doesn't matter.
3 and Booker for 1 has had too much discussion for me to wade into that in a new thread.

youngcrev · Post #3 » by **youngcrev** » Sun Mar 6, 2016 6:22 pm

Quality > Quantity is the law of the land in the NBA. The Sixers get the worst end of the deal here.

j-ragg · Post #4 » by **j-ragg** » Sun Mar 6, 2016 6:24 pm

I'd do it for Orlando. But id trade Softevic for a lot less than our fan base would. Love Booker's game though and Noel.

pelifan · Post #5 » by **pelifan** » Sun Mar 6, 2016 6:51 pm

Pass for NO. You're now committing 28 million at the center position. With that 13 million you can pay the 6th pick and then go out and spend like 10 million on a position of need like sf.

DirtyDez · Post #6 » by **DirtyDez** » Sun Mar 6, 2016 8:51 pm

I'm not sure there's much difference between #1 and #3 anymore. If the Suns stay at #3 I say keep Booker and sit tight.

asudevil · Post #7 » by **asudevil** » Sun Mar 6, 2016 11:19 pm

I'm not quite sure why there is an infatuation with the suns trading Booker/#3 for the #1. Booker is only 19, and each game he gains more and more value. The suns have already said that he's on the fast track to being the face of the franchise.

AND i'm fairly certain the suns dont need 5 first round picks this draft. #1, #11, #13, #22, #27.

at BEST this is a lateral move for the franchise.....at its worst, they trade one star for another (Booker for Simmons), lose a #3 pick, AND Warren (who has shown tons of promise), while adding even more draft picks they dont really need at this point.

PhillyNj · Post #8 » by **PhillyNj** » Sun Mar 6, 2016 11:24 pm

Laimbeer wrote:NOP: #6 for Vuc - offensive presence who AD can cover on D

PHI: Noel, #1, #22 for Dipo, Payton, Warren, #3, #6 - build a young perimeter

ORL: Vuc, Dipo, Payton, #11 for Booker, Noel - shot blocking presence and added shooting

PHO: #3, Booker, and Warren for #1, #11, #22 - potential franchise player

This deal is fing horrible for phliiy,my guess is it was made up by a magic fan

jayjaysee · Post #9 » by **jayjaysee** » Sun Mar 6, 2016 11:38 pm

The Thunder would give Kanter to NOP for free if they want to put an offensive player next to AD, OKC might take Asik or at least help find a third team to take Asik. He's not Vuc, but he doesn't cost them a lotto pick and he isn't that far off. Though I don't really know if AD needs an offensive center next to him.. He should be the big man with the ball, right? He needs Asik... But a good Asik.

I don't think Philly does it.. It's a ton of value, but I'd rather have Noel and Simmons and hope to get lucky in free agency or trade a future pick for a point guard.

I can see Orlando doing it though I don't know who they call their PG after it? Guess they have cap space and future assets to look for a PG with..

For Phoenix, I think Booker is really good and they shouldn't do the 3+Booker for 1 idea. 11+22 for Warren is a win, but I don't think it is a big enough win. Bender+Booker offer two real shots at a star, Simmons is a better shot but I don't think he's worth both shots. For teams with the amount of picks/prospects Phoenix/Philly have - I don't think late firsts change the big picture of trades.

But the gap between 1 and 3 has closed at all. Like HW said last year, the tiers of the draft change depending on where your team is.

tiderulz · Post #10 » by **tiderulz** » Mon Mar 7, 2016 12:56 am

PhillyNj wrote:
Laimbeer wrote:NOP: #6 for Vuc - offensive presence who AD can cover on D

PHI: Noel, #1, #22 for Dipo, Payton, Warren, #3, #6 - build a young perimeter

ORL: Vuc, Dipo, Payton, #11 for Booker, Noel - shot blocking presence and added shooting

PHO: #3, Booker, and Warren for #1, #11, #22 - potential franchise player

This deal is fing horrible for phliiy,my guess is it was made up by a magic fan

you would be wrong, he is not a Magic fan. And Noel doesnt have that much value

Post #11 » by **HartfordWhalers** » Mon Mar 7, 2016 1:01 am

tiderulz wrote:
PhillyNj wrote:
Laimbeer wrote:NOP: #6 for Vuc - offensive presence who AD can cover on D

PHI: Noel, #1, #22 for Dipo, Payton, Warren, #3, #6 - build a young perimeter

ORL: Vuc, Dipo, Payton, #11 for Booker, Noel - shot blocking presence and added shooting

PHO: #3, Booker, and Warren for #1, #11, #22 - potential franchise player

This deal is fing horrible for phliiy,my guess is it was made up by a magic fan

you would be wrong, he is not a Magic fan. And Noel doesnt have that much value

Yeah, thinking Laimbeer was an Orlando fan is kinda all sorts of wrong and shows not enough NBA history knowledge for my taste. :lol:

I do think Orlando clearly gets the best of it. For Philly, I would say that the value hinges on what you think of #1 versus #3. Depending upon that question, I would have Philly or Phoenix getting the worst of it.

Amareca · Post #12 » by **Amareca** » Mon Mar 7, 2016 8:35 am

jayjaysee wrote:
For Phoenix, I think Booker is really good and they shouldn't do the 3+Booker for 1 idea. 11+22 for Warren is a win, but I don't think it is a big enough win. Bender+Booker offer two real shots at a star, Simmons is a better shot but I don't think he's worth both shots. For teams with the amount of picks/prospects Phoenix/Philly have - I don't think late firsts change the big picture of trades.

But the gap between 1 and 3 has closed at all. Like HW said last year, the tiers of the draft change depending on where your team is.

Warren for 11+22 is not a win for Phoenix. Warren is a stud and a keeper.

And as I said before many times Phoenix is not trading Booker. Not for Simmons and surely not tossing in a #3 pick.

OrlandoNed · Post #13 » by **OrlandoNed** » Mon Mar 7, 2016 4:58 pm

Don't like it for Orlando. Too expensive for my tastes and I think Noel is very overvalued.

MAGICian619 · Post #14 » by **MAGICian619** » Mon Mar 7, 2016 9:04 pm

This is absolutely terrible for Orlando. Leaves us with no PG and no Center. I have no idea how any of you think this is good for Orlando.

Post #15 » by **HartfordWhalers** » Mon Mar 7, 2016 9:54 pm

MAGICian619 wrote:This is absolutely terrible for Orlando. Leaves us with no PG and no Center. I have no idea how any of you think this is good for Orlando.

Orlando gets 2 players and 1 is a center.

Laimbeer · Post #16 » by **Laimbeer** » Mon Mar 7, 2016 10:02 pm

At first I thought Philly was getting a ton of value and I still feel that way. Very surprised people are seeing it as worst for them.

dorkestra · Post #17 » by **dorkestra** » Mon Mar 7, 2016 10:15 pm

This trade goes from quality to quantity for the Sixers who are a team that can least afford to take that swap.

orlando_joe · Post #18 » by **orlando_joe** » Mon Mar 7, 2016 11:04 pm

HartfordWhalers wrote:
MAGICian619 wrote:This is absolutely terrible for Orlando. Leaves us with no PG and no Center. I have no idea how any of you think this is good for Orlando.

Orlando gets 2 players and 1 is a center.

from what I have seen noel cant defend center ..so no center no pg ...bad for magic I like booker but magic have Mario and Fournier and victor...how many sg do they need? to much to give up to me magic pass..noel will get overpaid big time next yr want no part of it

dorkestra · Post #19 » by **dorkestra** » Mon Mar 7, 2016 11:16 pm

orlando_joe wrote:
HartfordWhalers wrote:
MAGICian619 wrote:This is absolutely terrible for Orlando. Leaves us with no PG and no Center. I have no idea how any of you think this is good for Orlando.

Orlando gets 2 players and 1 is a center.

from what I have seen noel cant defend center ..so no center no pg ...bad for magic I like booker but magic have Mario and Fournier and victor...how many sg do they need? to much to give up to me magic pass..noel will get overpaid big time next yr want no part of it

Noel defends excellently at center.

Post #20 » by **HartfordWhalers** » Mon Mar 7, 2016 11:18 pm

orlando_joe wrote:
HartfordWhalers wrote:
MAGICian619 wrote:This is absolutely terrible for Orlando. Leaves us with no PG and no Center. I have no idea how any of you think this is good for Orlando.

Orlando gets 2 players and 1 is a center.

from what I have seen noel cant defend center ..so no center

Well, then your view on him is based upon a very small subsample that was not indicative of his play. He defends the center amazingly, so yeah, you are just really off.

The two things Noel is most are a center and a plus defender.

Who gets the best and worst deal?