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I really hate deals with more than 3 teams, but this time I needed all participants. This is my attempt to bring LeBron's dream team together without robbing the other teams. This is really a five team trade because Cleveland and Portland execute a small rights exchange.

Boston out: Brooklyn 2016 (#3 this year), Boston 2016 (#23), Amir Johnson, Kelly Olynyk, and (expiring) Evan Turner
Boston in: Kevin Love and Cleveland's 2020 1st round draft pick (protected 1-14).
Why for Boston? Assuming Kevin Love is seen as a good addition for the Celtics, Boston upgrades Amir Johnson by spending #3. The pick coming back spreads their pick congestion out. The 2020 Cleveland pick could be valuable. They are unlikely to find a better player than Kevin Love with their #3.

Clippers out: Chris Paul
Clippers in: Irving, Kelly Olynyk, Brooklyn 2016 (#3) and Cleveland 2022 (protected 1-10)
Why for Los Angeles? This presupposes that the Clippers see a player at #3 that can help them accelerate rebuild. The Clippers are weak at SF with Green, Johnson, and Pierce unconvincing. Ingram, of course, might be already drafted, but talented guys like Jaylen Brown, Kris Dunn, or Buddy Hield would be available.



New York out: Carmelo Anthony
New York in: Amir Johnson, Evan Turner (expiring), rights to Cedi Osman, and Boston 2016 (#23)
Why for New York? Assuming New York wants to rebuild without the huge 23M Anthony contract, here they are at least getting a couple competent players and a pick back. The difference between Johnson and Anthony's contracts is 12 million dollars, which would be useful in free agency. Of course Amir plays the same position as Porzingis, but they are very different types of players. If Turner resigns, his defense will be useful. For those who don't know, Osman is a competent international who was drafted last year by Cleveland. He plays on the same team as 2016 SG prospect Furkan Korkmaz. Here's a video (it's in Turkish, note that his name is pronounced almost like Jedi (Star Wars)):

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yeJahEXIjE[/youtube]

Cleveland out: Kyrie, Kevin Love, Cleveland 2020 (1-14), Cleveland 2022 (1-10). Cleveland will have to make the 2018 pick with PDX unrestricted. RIghts to Cedi Osman. Cleveland's picks become unprotected in the second year (2021/2023)
Cleveland in: Carmelo Anthony, Chris Paul, MIA (56-60) from POR in exchange for 2018 draft protection change.
Why for Cleveland? It's looking more certain that the Irving-Love-James team is not good enough. Carmelo & Chris Paul are better players. That big 3 is I think unbeatable. Sign Wade for the taxpayer MLE and you have a unique team.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=hffej9a

Not bad, but Evan Turner is a UFA and can't be traded

Evan Turner is UFA so he cannot be dealt

I think its a bit light for the knicks (well their fans want good return), so swap the 16th and 23rd around. Aside from that though its pretty good

I don't know what to say.. the melo trades are getting worse every day. Now he's worth amir Johnson + the freaking 23rd pick in a weak draft? did he tear his acl or something?

How about giving the knicks the 3rd pick and Boston sends the 23rd pick to the Clippers.

I don't think a 31 year old Paul is worth that much.

Well NY gets out from under Carmelo's contract - that is a big plus for them
Boston gets love for the 3 and a 2020 pick for the 23rd pick this year- If this didn't have lottery protection I would consider it even, waiting 3 years to cash in requires something. And I don't know if Love is worth the 3rd anymore. Whether it is the role he is playing or what I don't know.
Cavs- go all in for the last 3 years of LBJ, Paul and Melo, I don't like this at all for them. All three could break down at the same time due to age and will most likely do so over the next three years.
Clippers- I like it for the clippers, While Kelly will be a RFA he should not attract a great number of suitors so his abilty to move on is minimized. While it is a down grade from Paul to Irving, Paul's game will most likely degrade over time due to his age and Irvingis signed long term.

Good for the Clippers and NY, As a Boston fan I am not thrilled with it but is certainly is not the end of the world, Cleveland - it is just too risky taking on those players at their ages. Plus they take on a bunch of salary that does not even include the trade kickers

Lol! Boston Robbed on this trade... Love is not worth #3 today.. 2020? wait for 4 years ??

Yeah I don't see the Knicks signing onto this. Especially with the big names flying around, they can't trade Melo and only be coming away with Osman and #23.

I think, Paul despite his stature, probably nets you less than Kyrie and #3 plus assets because of the difference between their ages (Paul is certainly better, but swapping a 31 year old for a 24 year old is in my book a huge factor).

For Boston, as others have mentioned the ET portion needs to be dropped, but also if they can keep Olynyk instead of taking on the Cleveland pick that'd be great, but overall it's still good value for Love. People will complain that Love isn't an all-start anymore, but that's foolish and with #16, #31, #35 Boston gets their star, keeps their core and still has draft assets. Great deal.

Check with Lebron for Cleveland.

patman52 wrote:Well NY gets out from under Carmelo's contract - that is a big plus for them
Boston gets love for the 3 and a 2020 pick for the 23rd pick this year- If this didn't have lottery protection I would consider it even, waiting 3 years to cash in requires something. And I don't know if Love is worth the 3rd anymore. Whether it is the role he is playing or what I don't know.
Cavs- go all in for the last 3 years of LBJ, Paul and Melo, I don't like this at all for them. All three could break down at the same time due to age and will most likely do so over the next three years.
Clippers- I like it for the clippers, While Kelly will be a RFA he should not attract a great number of suitors so his abilty to move on is minimized. While it is a down grade from Paul to Irving, Paul's game will most likely degrade over time due to his age and Irvingis signed long term.

Good for the Clippers and NY, As a Boston fan I am not thrilled with it but is certainly is not the end of the world, Cleveland - it is just too risky taking on those players at their ages. Plus they take on a bunch of salary that does not even include the trade kickers

Getting out of carmelo's contract is not a bonus for NY. Why? Even if they planned on tanking you dont give your best player away for a pick in the 20's.

Carmelo is great value. This trade idea reaks of stupidity

a bit light for the knicks is a understatement....

The knicks wouldn't even trade Jerian Grant for that Package...LOL

I don't really understand Knicks fans' objections. With Cleveland playing Chris Paul - Dwyane Wade - Carmelo Anthony - LeBron James - Tristan Thompson (along with keeping their entire bench, and even supplementing it), the Knicks aren't going to win anything anyway. Amir Johnson's contract is up in 6/17, so you don't have to wait to rebuild, which should be your concern. You have your draft picks going forward now. Why hold onto Carmelo when he could go win a ring? I wouldn't resent Wade adding to his chip collection.

Maybe if Boston agreed to send Smart rather than Evan Turner? It seems an overpay on Boston's part though and it doesn't really make New York much stronger. And, yeah, it's true someone besides Evan Turner would have to be sent. He's there only to balance out the transaction anyhow, since Knicks fans won't see him as an asset. Here are two options:

With Rozier and Young and a draft pick, New York can start the long job of rebuilding:



With Smart they'll already have a leg up (though Smart has a lot to prove still)



I cannot see the Celtics sending anyone of great value (Crowder, Bradley, Thomas...) to get Kevin Love. Not after giving up picks. This is a deal the Knicks fans should grab and be happy. Carmelo has an injury history too.

I like this for the Cavaliers even with the concern for injuries. To overcome this Warriors team a half-hearted effort is insufficient. Otherwise they are the 90s Bulls. They must be challenged.

I'm least happy about the Clippers deal. Chris Paul is a much better player now and they'd be throwing in the towel and taking a chance at #3. Who do you take if you're the Clippers? Bender (wait...) or Hield (lower ceiling but at least can contribute). Either way, you will not have a player of Chris Paul's caliber.

The value for Carmelo is absolutely atrocious. The #23 pick? I mean come on thats just terrible. Everyone keeps saying how bad his contract is but he is about to make the same amount of money as NIc Batum and possibly only $5M more than Bismack Biyombo.... It would start with the Bkn pick

patman52 wrote:Well NY gets out from under Carmelo's contract - that is a big plus for them
Boston gets love for the 3 and a 2020 pick for the 23rd pick this year- If this didn't have lottery protection I would consider it even, waiting 3 years to cash in requires something. And I don't know if Love is worth the 3rd anymore. Whether it is the role he is playing or what I don't know.
Cavs- go all in for the last 3 years of LBJ, Paul and Melo, I don't like this at all for them. All three could break down at the same time due to age and will most likely do so over the next three years.
Clippers- I like it for the clippers, While Kelly will be a RFA he should not attract a great number of suitors so his abilty to move on is minimized. While it is a down grade from Paul to Irving, Paul's game will most likely degrade over time due to his age and Irvingis signed long term.

Good for the Clippers and NY, As a Boston fan I am not thrilled with it but is certainly is not the end of the world, Cleveland - it is just too risky taking on those players at their ages. Plus they take on a bunch of salary that does not even include the trade kickers

How in the world is this good for NY?

Jwduff wrote:The value for Carmelo is absolutely atrocious. The #23 pick? I mean come on thats just terrible. Everyone keeps saying how bad his contract is but he is about to make the same amount of money as NIc Batum and possibly only $5M more than Bismack Biyombo.... It would start with the Bkn pick

You aren't taking into account the additional cap space that will allow New York to reconstruct its team. Do you think the team you have now is good enough to get to the finals? I do not. For what it's worth I have the same opinion about Miami. The Warriors are quite simply playing at another level. The only team that pushed them was the Thunder. Get some youth around Porzingis and add talent that fits. Carmelo needs to move on.

gom wrote:

Jwduff wrote:The value for Carmelo is absolutely atrocious. The #23 pick? I mean come on thats just terrible. Everyone keeps saying how bad his contract is but he is about to make the same amount of money as NIc Batum and possibly only $5M more than Bismack Biyombo.... It would start with the Bkn pick

You aren't taking into account the additional cap space that will allow New York to reconstruct its team. Do you think the team you have now is good enough to get to the finals? I do not. For what it's worth I have the same opinion about Miami. The Warriors are quite simply playing at another level. The only team that pushed them was the Thunder. Get some youth around Porzingis and add talent that fits. Carmelo needs to move on.

Okay that line of thinking is certainly plausible, but not for merely the 23rd pick not even close.

How do you trade Evan Turner if he's a free agent

patman52 wrote:Well NY gets out from under Carmelo's contract - that is a big plus for them

No it isn't.

gom wrote:

Jwduff wrote:The value for Carmelo is absolutely atrocious. The #23 pick? I mean come on thats just terrible. Everyone keeps saying how bad his contract is but he is about to make the same amount of money as NIc Batum and possibly only $5M more than Bismack Biyombo.... It would start with the Bkn pick

You aren't taking into account the additional cap space that will allow New York to reconstruct its team. Do you think the team you have now is good enough to get to the finals? I do not. For what it's worth I have the same opinion about Miami. The Warriors are quite simply playing at another level. The only team that pushed them was the Thunder. Get some youth around Porzingis and add talent that fits. Carmelo needs to move on.

We don't need the money to reconstruct the team. We need valuable picks or prospects if we're reconstructing the team. Any cap space would just be a bonus. Any deal in which cap room is the primary asset we receive is a silly deal to make.

so the thought process around the knicks moving Melo is they aren't good anyway and they should just trade him to make another team better because they would be doing a favor and they can get sh*tty pieces back in return?

What kind of cockamamie logic is that. We don't have to help any team out but ourselves.

If Melo ends up wanting to leave (which currently he doesn't). The knicks will extract as much value as they can for him. You are sounding like we should be doing other teams a favor for taking his extremely reasonable contract off our hands.

Its a horrendous trade with really no young assets coming back to the knicks. And no James Young is not a young asset.

Carmelo Anthony is 32 years old, not 60 years old. This he's done and/or the Knicks want to get rid of him and rebuild is getting carried away.

Also...Kevin Love has looked more toasted than Anthony and Love can get a top 3 pick?

The Knicks reportedly may be close in buying a late 1st round pick from Phoenix (would be the 28th pick likely) for cash. How much more value does a pick 5 spots earlier (at 23) really have?

Cedi Osman? Come on. You want me to show you highlight clips of Knicks draftee Louis Labryrie? Here's a highlight clip. Maybe Knicks fans were wrong and he also actually has real value? I mean he looks pretty nice in the clips right? And he's actually been complimented by other French players Tony Parker and Boris Diaw...

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NC29jD_sWw8[/youtube]

And Turner is a UFA. The Knicks could just try to sign him if they wanted to.

Ask yourself...would you trade Wade (who's older and more injury prone than Anthony) for that "package"? You wouldn't right? So why should the Knicks?

The initial package is just brutal for the Knicks.