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Let me start of by saying that a Valanciunas trade by the trade deadline seems highly unlikely as Masai has said numerous that he doesnt like to make huge changes to the roster mid season, as he would much rather leave those for the offseason.

With that being said, it doesn't take a genius to see and realize that Val is not a fit for this team and is heavily underutilized. He's just not a fit for our style of play.

This thread is to solely to see IF there are any fanbases who would be interested in Val and if you are, very curious to see what your offers would be. Mainly to get a sense as to what Val's value is around the league.

Carroll, Val, Wright, 1st for Jordan

Jordan, Johnson for Carroll, Val, Wright, 1st

Clippers follow up with Rivers + 1st for Bogut

Val/Bogut
Griffin/Speights
Carroll/Pierce
Redick/Crawford
Paul/Wright

DJ
PPat
Derozan
Ross
Lowry

If they move him, they'll need a centre back. Maybe something like Valanciunas to Phoenix for Chandler and some kind of assets, and those assets get spun (plus the Raptors' own assets if necessary) to get a PF?

I_Socrates wrote:Carroll, Val, Wright, 1st for Jordan

Jordan, Johnson for Carroll, Val, Wright, 1st

Clippers follow up with Rivers + 1st for Bogut

Val/Bogut
Griffin/Speights
Carroll/Pierce
Redick/Crawford
Paul/Wright

DJ
PPat
Derozan
Ross
Lowry

DeAndre is intriguing; Casey's system begs for a defensive anchor at the 5, Valanciunas will only remain underutilised here - used correctly, I have no doubt he can be a high efficiency 20-10 player in the league. The only issue I see with your proposal is that we lose our starting SF, DeRozan & Ross can not be on the court together, it leaves us too thin to guard 3s in this league. If this was to happen, we'd immediately be looking to flip Ross/Norman Powell + picks to land an upgrade at the SF.

Basically: Valanciunas, Ross, Norman Powell, Delon Wright, Jakob Poeltl, Clips' 1st, Raptors' 1st can all be used in a package to net us an upgrade at the C. DeAndre could be a great fit for our system, I'd be content with a similar trade.

Hassan Whiteside, is another intriguing prospect at the C. Not sure what it'd take to get him here, but he'd compliment our coach to the t.

Toronto Sends: Valanciunas, Terrence Ross, Delon Wright, Bebe, Raptors' 1st, Clippers' 1st
Miami Sends: Hassan Whiteside, James Johnson, Luke Babbit

Heat:
Goran Dragic/Wright
Dion Waiters/Ellington/Tyler Johnson
Terrence Ross/Richardson
Justise Winslow/Derrick Williams/Haslem
Valanciunas/Lucas Noguiera

Raptors:
Lowry/Joseph/Van
DeRozan/Powell (6th Man)
Carroll/Johnson/Babbit
Patterson/Siakam/Sullinger
Whiteside/Poeltl/Siakam

Both teams improve, Miami gets younger & acquires picks; Bosh isn't returning, Whiteside's prime will be wasted there - Val is only 24 and gives them a centre-piece to rebuild around. Ross has been playing behind an all-star for several years now and would be starting on most other teams, this gives him an opportunity to break out.

Raptors get a centre in his prime who fits their system, Patterson would have to start - for spacing purposes, Poeltl can take back-up minutes and develop. Raptors 2nd line suffers slightly, but having one of the best benches in the league it's a trade-off I'd be willing to make. Patterson shifts to the starting lineup, Powell assumes the 6th man role, Poeltl provides some offense inside, Siakam balances out the defense. Honestly, I don't like seeing players with higher ceilings being wasted away by a coaching system. Valanciunas will perform much better in that situation.

Whiteside isn't good. No thanks. JV is under used but we also don't need to get a C back if we trade him - at least not a starting C. Just a good big man that fits better. Poetl and Bebe have both shown plenty enough IMO.

Lemarcus Aldridge would be a nice fit and Pop would actually use JV properly.

yellowknifer wrote:Whiteside isn't good. No thanks. JV is under used but we also don't need to get a C back if we trade him - at least not a starting C. Just a good big man that fits better. Poetl and Bebe have both shown plenty enough IMO.

Lemarcus Aldridge would be a nice fit and Pop would actually use JV properly.

You're insane if you think that Poetl and Bebe could be starting and playing heavy minutes for when we're in the playoffs.

Not. A. Chance.

If JV goes, we need to bring back a C, plain and simple.

Aldridge also wouldn't work too well for the Raps. He plays in the same "area" as DeRozan, which is the mid-range. He would be similar to a Gibson trade. Doe sit make the Raps a bit better? Maybe. Is it enough? No.

I'm not saiyng Gibson is as good as Aldridge, because he's not, it's just that Aldridge doesn't work ideally in the Raps system.

becausephilchow wrote:

yellowknifer wrote:Whiteside isn't good. No thanks. JV is under used but we also don't need to get a C back if we trade him - at least not a starting C. Just a good big man that fits better. Poetl and Bebe have both shown plenty enough IMO.

Lemarcus Aldridge would be a nice fit and Pop would actually use JV properly.

You're insane if you think that Poetl and Bebe could be starting and playing heavy minutes for when we're in the playoffs.

Not. A. Chance.

If JV goes, we need to bring back a C, plain and simple.

Aldridge also wouldn't work too well for the Raps. He plays in the same "area" as DeRozan, which is the mid-range. He would be similar to a Gibson trade. Doe sit make the Raps a bit better? Maybe. Is it enough? No.

I'm not saiyng Gibson is as good as Aldridge, because he's not, it's just that Aldridge doesn't work ideally in the Raps system.

@yellowknifer Interesting that you say that, Whiteside was 2nd all nba defensive team and is currently averaging 17, 15, 3 coming off a max contract extension (PER of 25). Are the stats a little inflated due to his surrounding cast? Yes ofcourse, but if you've been following him this season, he's developed a much more polished offensive game to compliment his defensive talent. I think you're making a premature judgment based on one playoff series, need I remind you that DD shot ~30% in some of those series'

Insane if you think.. Bebe & Poeltl are good enough at C in this league, yiu really are maiing some very premature conclusions.

Also, Taj imo doesn't work because we lose too much spacing, we need a stretch 4 to compliment DD. I completely agree with you though that LMA would be too much a tweener bc he likes midrange shots but also I don't see us netting LMA for Val.

I would do a Jv for whiteside trade but only if wright and 2 1sts is enough to get it done.

dalton749 wrote:I would do a Jv for whiteside trade but only if wright and 2 1sts is enough to get it done.

Don't thikn the Salaries work for JV + Wright for Whiteside. I think the Raps need to send out a bit more salary I believe.

Hansari wrote:DeAndre is intriguing; Casey's system begs for a defensive anchor at the 5, Valanciunas will only remain underutilised here - used correctly, I have no doubt he can be a high efficiency 20-10 player in the league. The only issue I see with your proposal is that we lose our starting SF, DeRozan & Ross can not be on the court together, it leaves us too thin to guard 3s in this league. If this was to happen, we'd immediately be looking to flip Ross/Norman Powell + picks to land an upgrade at the SF.

Basically: Valanciunas, Ross, Norman Powell, Delon Wright, Jakob Poeltl, Clips' 1st, Raptors' 1st can all be used in a package to net us an upgrade at the C. DeAndre could be a great fit for our system, I'd be content with a similar trade.

Hassan Whiteside, is another intriguing prospect at the C. Not sure what it'd take to get him here, but he'd compliment our coach to the t.

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Thought so too. I thought they'd want a SF after this. The idea originally was to include Phoenix, have Johnson from the Clippers go to PHX along with Powell, and Tucker to Toronto.

Lowry/Joseph
DD/Ross
Tucker/Ross
PPat/Sully
DJ/Poeltl

Thought Toronto might want a better SF though so maybe they look to Denver (Chandler) or Atlanta (Sefelosha) or maybe even Washington (Porter) or Charlotte (MKG).

If they could get MKG + Casspi or something, that'd be a nice way to round it out.

Heat fans? Want to shed some light on the proposal?

LAC wouldn't do it right now as DJ is more impactful but if CP3 leaves or something they would probably trade DJ for Val to rebuild.

yellowknifer wrote:Whiteside isn't good. No thanks. JV is under used but we also don't need to get a C back if we trade him - at least not a starting C. Just a good big man that fits better. Poetl and Bebe have both shown plenty enough IMO.

Lemarcus Aldridge would be a nice fit and Pop would actually use JV properly.

Pop wouldn't like JV at all. He doesn't like bad passers and defenders.

What's using JV properly? Raptors fans love to throw this out without actually saying what that means.

Asif16 wrote:With that being said, it doesn't take a genius to see and realize that Val is not a fit for this team and is heavily underutilized. He's just not a fit for our style of play.

Last trade thread where JV was moved that I read had a very different take on him:

CoachD wrote:JV who fits Toronto perfectly

Hansari wrote:Heat fans? Want to shed some light on the proposal?

Not a heat fan, but as a neutral fan I'd have Whiteside's value far greater than Jonas V's. And a couple late 1sts wouldn't be nearly enough to entice me to swap the two.

If I was the Raps tho, I'd see the swap as being potentially the final piece so I'd not hold back any assets and see if I could convince the Heat to consider by including a future unprotected pick and maybe a swap as well.

An offer like: Jonas/Powell/Poeltl/Sullinger(salary filler)/2017 TOR 1st/2017 LAC 1st/2019 TOR 1st for Whiteside/Babbitt/McRoberts.

Bledsoe and Chandler for Jonas, Cory Joesph and Norman Powell.....Who says no?

Raptors could move Bledsoe to the SG and Derozan to the 3. Giving the raptors a 3rd all-star level player. Casey was with Tyson Chandler in Dallas when they won a championship. He would fit the raptors system better than JV.

Suns move one of their point guards but still have a solid back up in Cory Joesph. Get a young JV on a good contract that will fit the suns group going forward better than Chandler. And norman Powell.

LonZoBallin wrote:Bledsoe and Chandler for Jonas, Cory Joesph and Norman Powell.....Who says no?

Raptors could move Bledsoe to the SG and Derozan to the 3. Giving the raptors a 3rd all-star level player. Casey was with Tyson Chandler in Dallas when they won a championship. He would fit the raptors system better than JV.

Suns move one of their point guards but still have a solid back up in Cory Joesph. Get a young JV on a good contract that will fit the suns group going forward better than Chandler. And norman Powell.

Raps say no, that's 3 productive younger players for older ones with injury history. Of course a healthy Bledsoe would be a beastly sixth man for them.

LonZoBallin wrote:Bledsoe and Chandler for Jonas, Cory Joesph and Norman Powell.....Who says no?

Raptors could move Bledsoe to the SG and Derozan to the 3. Giving the raptors a 3rd all-star level player. Casey was with Tyson Chandler in Dallas when they won a championship. He would fit the raptors system better than JV.

Suns move one of their point guards but still have a solid back up in Cory Joesph. Get a young JV on a good contract that will fit the suns group going forward better than Chandler. And norman Powell.

too much on torontos end I think. Mainly because of Powell, who is basically torontos version on Bledsoe in la, just waiting for his opportunity

Raps would trade Val? I thought you all cherished the ground he walks on and is a perfect fit for this team? I can't think of many C in the NBA that you are gonna get back that are gonna fit the Raps style then Val.

dalton749 wrote:I would do a Jv for whiteside trade but only if wright and 2 1sts is enough to get it done.

For real?! I wouldn't trade Whiteside for JV in a million years.