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Simple trade:

Portland trades: Lilliard for Rubio+Amir Johnson+2017 Nets Pick (via Boston)+2017 Minny pick
Minny trades: Rubio+2017 1st rounder for Thomas+Jerepko
Boston trades: 2017 Nets pick+Thomas+Amir+Jerepko for Lilliard

WHY FOR BOSTON?
1) Lilliard is signed longterm, while Thomas expires after next year (and he'll want a max). With Bradley also wanting an extension, they decide to go for the sure thing in Lilliard, resign Bradley, and roll with a 3 guard lineup of Smart, Bradley, and Lilliard.

WHY FOR Minny?
1) They already have Kriss Dunn as a young PG to groom. They have their 3 core pieces locked in, so adding Thomas as a creator and scorer (who will have tons of room operating next to Towns, Wiggins, and LeVine) works well.

WHY FOR PORTLAND?
1) They go for a quick rebuild. Rubio gives them a pass first PG who plays defense and can start next to CJ. The Nets pick is going to be top 4, the Minny pick likely in the lotto, and their own as well in this loaded draft.

I think Boston would much rather do something else with the 2017 Brooklyn pick. that said the Value is not bad.

Interesting idea though.

No thanks for POR, this is not a recipe for a "quick rebuild" when you are giving up Lillard for draft picks and Rubio's value is way down, just not enough value and IMO not the kind of trade POR needs to make

Yeah, this also shows the problem Boston has - IT/BKN 17 is an overpay for Lillard. BKN 17 + expirings would be fair, but we'd need a separate trade to move IT, or Bradley, if we wanted an IT/Lillard backcourt.

Thomas would be a terrible fit with the Wolves. Minnesota has 3 high usage offensive players in LaVine/Wiggins/Towns and have no need for another very high usage player, especially one who is a defensive liability. Luckily the Wolves can't trade their 2017 1st so the deal isn't even a possibility.

Minnesota should be cut out of so that BOS can try to make a deal directly with POR.

Lillard is not on the block nor has he requested to be traded so why all of the sudden do people think we would trade him. Even if we did that offer isn't any where close.

PDX MM wrote:Lillard is not on the block nor has he requested to be traded so why all of the sudden do people think we would trade him. Even if we did that offer isn't any where close.

Because one Portland fan said he liked the idea of Lillard to Utah which has opened the floodgates of hell.

DusterBuster wrote:

PDX MM wrote:Lillard is not on the block nor has he requested to be traded so why all of the sudden do people think we would trade him. Even if we did that offer isn't any where close.

Because one Portland fan said he liked the idea of Lillard to Utah which has opened the floodgates of hell.

Yeah but I thought that poster also said he wanted Gobert which we all know Utah has zero plans to trade. I didn't think he/she was being serious with that comment.

PDX MM wrote:

DusterBuster wrote:

PDX MM wrote:Lillard is not on the block nor has he requested to be traded so why all of the sudden do people think we would trade him. Even if we did that offer isn't any where close.

Because one Portland fan said he liked the idea of Lillard to Utah which has opened the floodgates of hell.

Yeah but I thought that poster also said he wanted Gobert which we all know Utah has zero plans to trade. I didn't think he/she was being serious with that comment.

I'm not sure which poster you're referring. The one I'm talking about liked the idea of just trading Lillard for Favors and Hood.

Again Boston does not have a really solid big to offer Portland and unless Harry Giles (Duke)
checks out health wise, there are a lack of solid bigs in the 2017 draft. Portland in any
event would likely pass on another player who has had multiple knee surgeries.

Box gives up too much but I like the idea

Andrew McCeltic wrote:Yeah, this also shows the problem Boston has - IT/BKN 17 is an overpay for Lillard. BKN 17 + expirings would be fair, but we'd need a separate trade to move IT, or Bradley, if we wanted an IT/Lillard backcourt.

Are you joking? BKN has the worst record in the league right now but we don't know it'll stay that way and even if it does with the lotto that just means they have a solid chance at the #1 pick. And as lauded as this draft class is everyone who really knows it is aware that's because of depth, not because there's one or two absolutely must have top guys, Fultz looks pretty great but that could just be a result of putting up big numbers on a bad team. The 1-3 pick in this draft and exp are not even close to fair for a top 15 player in the league, that is way, way overvaluing that pick. Both bkn picks and we can start talking, until then we wouldn't even pick up the phone.

Portland isn't trading Lillard.

DusterBuster wrote:

PDX MM wrote:Lillard is not on the block nor has he requested to be traded so why all of the sudden do people think we would trade him. Even if we did that offer isn't any where close.

Because one Portland fan said he liked the idea of Lillard to Utah which has opened the floodgates of hell.

LOL!

damecurry wrote:

Andrew McCeltic wrote:Yeah, this also shows the problem Boston has - IT/BKN 17 is an overpay for Lillard. BKN 17 + expirings would be fair, but we'd need a separate trade to move IT, or Bradley, if we wanted an IT/Lillard backcourt.

Are you joking? BKN has the worst record in the league right now but we don't know it'll stay that way and even if it does with the lotto that just means they have a solid chance at the #1 pick. And as lauded as this draft class is everyone who really knows it is aware that's because of depth, not because there's one or two absolutely must have top guys, Fultz looks pretty great but that could just be a result of putting up big numbers on a bad team. The 1-3 pick in this draft and exp are not even close to fair for a top 15 player in the league, that is way, way overvaluing that pick. Both bkn picks and we can start talking, until then we wouldn't even pick up the phone.

How bout it's an overpay cause Thomas is a better player than Lillard, at best it's a wash. Lillard is only a year younger, and makes 20 million more than Thomas next season. I wouldn't trade Thomas for Lillard straight up, especially considering the cap implications for the Celtics.

OFWGKTA wrote:

damecurry wrote:

Andrew McCeltic wrote:Yeah, this also shows the problem Boston has - IT/BKN 17 is an overpay for Lillard. BKN 17 + expirings would be fair, but we'd need a separate trade to move IT, or Bradley, if we wanted an IT/Lillard backcourt.

Are you joking? BKN has the worst record in the league right now but we don't know it'll stay that way and even if it does with the lotto that just means they have a solid chance at the #1 pick. And as lauded as this draft class is everyone who really knows it is aware that's because of depth, not because there's one or two absolutely must have top guys, Fultz looks pretty great but that could just be a result of putting up big numbers on a bad team. The 1-3 pick in this draft and exp are not even close to fair for a top 15 player in the league, that is way, way overvaluing that pick. Both bkn picks and we can start talking, until then we wouldn't even pick up the phone.

How bout it's an overpay cause Thomas is a better player than Lillard, at best it's a wash. Lillard is only a year younger, and makes 20 million more than Thomas next season. I wouldn't trade Thomas for Lillard straight up, especially considering the cap implications for the Celtics.

Hey whatever you say man. I dont think youll find 5 non-celtics fans on this whole board who think ITs value is remotely close to lillards even with the cheap salary next year, but you can go on believing whatever you want bud. Have fun with that.

damecurry wrote:

OFWGKTA wrote:

damecurry wrote:Are you joking? BKN has the worst record in the league right now but we don't know it'll stay that way and even if it does with the lotto that just means they have a solid chance at the #1 pick. And as lauded as this draft class is everyone who really knows it is aware that's because of depth, not because there's one or two absolutely must have top guys, Fultz looks pretty great but that could just be a result of putting up big numbers on a bad team. The 1-3 pick in this draft and exp are not even close to fair for a top 15 player in the league, that is way, way overvaluing that pick. Both bkn picks and we can start talking, until then we wouldn't even pick up the phone.

How bout it's an overpay cause Thomas is a better player than Lillard, at best it's a wash. Lillard is only a year younger, and makes 20 million more than Thomas next season. I wouldn't trade Thomas for Lillard straight up, especially considering the cap implications for the Celtics.

Hey whatever you say man. I dont think youll find 5 non-celtics fans on this whole board who think ITs value is remotely close to lillards even with the cheap salary next year, but you can go on believing whatever you want bud. Have fun with that.

Statistically Lillard and IT are having almost identical seasons. IT scores a little under a whole point extra than Lillard, Lillard gets a few more rebounds than IT, shooting percentages and assists differences are so minor they're not worth considering.

I'd say you can make a fair argument that IT and Lillard has similar value. Lillard has more star power than IT which may give him a bit of a leg up in terms of trade value because of what he can bring to a teams branding worldwide, but just in terms of on-the-court stuff, it's hard to argue that giving up the BKN pick on top of IT for Lillard is a bit of an overpay.

damecurry wrote:

OFWGKTA wrote:

damecurry wrote:Are you joking? BKN has the worst record in the league right now but we don't know it'll stay that way and even if it does with the lotto that just means they have a solid chance at the #1 pick. And as lauded as this draft class is everyone who really knows it is aware that's because of depth, not because there's one or two absolutely must have top guys, Fultz looks pretty great but that could just be a result of putting up big numbers on a bad team. The 1-3 pick in this draft and exp are not even close to fair for a top 15 player in the league, that is way, way overvaluing that pick. Both bkn picks and we can start talking, until then we wouldn't even pick up the phone.

How bout it's an overpay cause Thomas is a better player than Lillard, at best it's a wash. Lillard is only a year younger, and makes 20 million more than Thomas next season. I wouldn't trade Thomas for Lillard straight up, especially considering the cap implications for the Celtics.

Hey whatever you say man. I dont think youll find 5 non-celtics fans on this whole board who think ITs value is remotely close to lillards even with the cheap salary next year, but you can go on believing whatever you want bud. Have fun with that.

IT averages more points on fewer shots, more assists in less minutes, better eFG%, TS%, PER, AST%, BPM, TOV%, WS/48, and VORP. Celtics have won >60% of their games since Thomas got here, Portland has won 50% of their games since Aldridge left. Replacing IT's salary with Lillard's salary basically takes the Celtics out of contention for a max FA. I bet I can find dozens on non Celtics fans that would rather IT and max cap space over Lillard, and countless amounts that would rather IT/BRK17/Max cap space over Lillard.

OFWGKTA wrote:

damecurry wrote:

OFWGKTA wrote:

How bout it's an overpay cause Thomas is a better player than Lillard, at best it's a wash. Lillard is only a year younger, and makes 20 million more than Thomas next season. I wouldn't trade Thomas for Lillard straight up, especially considering the cap implications for the Celtics.

Hey whatever you say man. I dont think youll find 5 non-celtics fans on this whole board who think ITs value is remotely close to lillards even with the cheap salary next year, but you can go on believing whatever you want bud. Have fun with that.

IT averages more points on fewer shots, more assists in less minutes, better eFG%, TS%, PER, AST%, BPM, TOV%, WS/48, and VORP. Celtics have won >60% of their games since Thomas got here, Portland has won 50% of their games since Aldridge left. Replacing IT's salary with Lillard's salary basically takes the Celtics out of contention for a max FA. I bet I can find dozens on non Celtics fans that would rather IT and max cap space over Lillard, and countless amounts that would rather IT/BRK17/Max cap space over Lillard.

IT has a much better supporting cast. It wasn't just Aldridge that left, it was 4 starters, and Lillard kept them in the playoffs. Lillard has also done more in the playoffs to prove himself than IT.

Somehow Boston is giving up too much for Lillard and Portland isn't receiving enough...