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I dont think our FO would trade him even though i would but what kinda offers seem reasonable?

The problem with trading Barnes is that while I think he's a good, valuable player that can help a team win, there are only so many teams that are going to think he's worth what he's being paid. I, for example, would like to have him on the Wolves next to Wiggins in a vacuum, but I don't think I want him at $24 mil.

wablty wrote:The problem with trading Barnes is that while I think he's a good, valuable player that can help a team win, there are only so many teams that are going to think he's worth what he's being paid. I, for example, would like to have him on the Wolves next to Wiggins in a vacuum, but I don't think I want him at $24 mil.

Sure.

I think Dallas definitely would maximize value in a Barnes deal by taking back salary rather than trying to deal him into cap space. Because I agree on his current contract he's not got a bad contract--its market rate--but its certainly not an attractive one. But if Dallas subsidizes some of the cost by taking back worse money, I think he could be attractive to a number of teams. His championship experience combined with him showing some ability to take on a larger scoring role if the situation called for, plus him being a really quality human. Definitely a market for him--again with the caveat that Dallas should be prepared to take back money.


None of this matters as Cuban seems sold on the idea of Barnes being a core piece so he's going nowhere, but just speaking in hypotheticals.

I'd give the Kings #10 and cap space for him, but I'm not sure why DAL would take a step back in their own rebuild.

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OhioKingsFan wrote:I'd give the Kings #10 and cap space for him, but I'm not sure why DAL would take a step back in their own rebuild.

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Most mavs fan would say no but id do that deal in a heartbeat

OhioKingsFan wrote:I'd give the Kings #10 and cap space for him, but I'm not sure why DAL would take a step back in their own rebuild.

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Well the Mavs FO doesn't want to bottom out so they agree with you. But plenty of Mavs fans want to tear it all the way down and hope to pick up some elite talent at the top of the draft for a couple years in hopes of finding our next franchise player.

I was definitely a tank guy when we got off to such a horrible start this year. But having lost that opportunity, I expect Dallas to treadmill along winning 30-35 games the next couple years and picking in the latter half of the top ten. We just need to find another Dirk with pick nine again I guess......

OhioKingsFan wrote:I'd give the Kings #10 and cap space for him, but I'm not sure why DAL would take a step back in their own rebuild.

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#10 + $20m in open cap space is a significant opportunity cost for Barnes. I'd pass every time, particularly given this draft and Barnes' escalating contract + PO.

And for a rebuilding team, I'd prefer #10 + $20 million in totally dead money over Barnes.

Harrison Barnes and Wes Matthews for
Allen Crabbe (3 pt shooting), Evan Turner (facilitator - Chandler Parsons role & Wes' Defense)
and one of Mo Harkless or Meyers Leonard + the 20th pick.

Crabbe + #15 + #26 for Barnes

Texas Chuck wrote:
Because I agree on his current contract he's not got a bad contract--its market rate--but its certainly not an attractive one

This is where things get hard for me to categorise things because by any objective measure of production to cost he has a terrible contract and yet I agree with you that if he was a free agent this summer he likely gets the same deal

Blazer50 wrote:Harrison Barnes and Wes Matthews for
Allen Crabbe (3 pt shooting), Evan Turner (facilitator - Chandler Parsons role & Wes' Defense)
and one of Mo Harkless or Meyers Leonard + the 20th pick.

That's beyond bad lol.
Even if you consider Wes for Crabbe a wash (I don't, but it's not horrible), Turner + Harkless/Leonard + 20 for Barnes is so bad for Dallas.... Turner/Leonard probably cost you #20 to move one at a time let alone together... Portland probably has to include all their picks this year to make this considerable for Dallas. Just my opinion though.

I_Socrates wrote:

Blazer50 wrote:Harrison Barnes and Wes Matthews for
Allen Crabbe (3 pt shooting), Evan Turner (facilitator - Chandler Parsons role & Wes' Defense)
and one of Mo Harkless or Meyers Leonard + the 20th pick.

That's beyond bad lol.
Even if you consider Wes for Crabbe a wash (I don't, but it's not horrible), Turner + Harkless/Leonard + 20 for Barnes is so bad for Dallas.... Turner/Leonard probably cost you #20 to move one at a time let alone together... Portland probably has to include all their picks this year to make this considerable for Dallas. Just my opinion though.

There's a significant difference between Harkless and Leonard though. Harkless is better value/money then Barnes, so if Turner +#20 is close to neutral it's a passable deal. Swap in Leonard and it looks a lot worse.

giberish wrote:There's a significant difference between Harkless and Leonard though. Harkless is better value/money then Barnes, so if Turner +#20 is close to neutral it's a passable deal. Swap in Leonard and it looks a lot worse.

Oh yeah, we absolutely agree. Not nearly as bad if it's Harkless, but still pretty bad nonetheless. Again, I don't consider Wes for Crabbe a wash - I think Crabbe is super overpaid for what he brings to the table and Wes might actually be the better player even still.

Pinkyring wrote:

OhioKingsFan wrote:I'd give the Kings #10 and cap space for him, but I'm not sure why DAL would take a step back in their own rebuild.

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Most mavs fan would say no but id do that deal in a heartbeat

I won't. But if we can manage to trade up with #9 and #10, we may consider. #10 pick alone is not quite usefully in terms of gaining AS potential. Markkanen, for example, is a role player with huge defensive liability rebounding- and defense-wise. I suspect he's even on the level of current Ryan Anderson in his prime.

Blazer50 wrote:Harrison Barnes and Wes Matthews for
Allen Crabbe (3 pt shooting), Evan Turner (facilitator - Chandler Parsons role & Wes' Defense)
and one of Mo Harkless or Meyers Leonard + the 20th pick.

Not a chance, we take back either Turner or Parsons easily. I'd consider a trade for Anthony and quality assets or salary dump, though.

Texas Chuck wrote:

OhioKingsFan wrote:I'd give the Kings #10 and cap space for him, but I'm not sure why DAL would take a step back in their own rebuild.

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Well the Mavs FO doesn't want to bottom out so they agree with you. But plenty of Mavs fans want to tear it all the way down and hope to pick up some elite talent at the top of the draft for a couple years in hopes of finding our next franchise player.

I was definitely a tank guy when we got off to such a horrible start this year. But having lost that opportunity, I expect Dallas to treadmill along winning 30-35 games the next couple years and picking in the latter half of the top ten. We just need to find another Dirk with pick nine again I guess......

If the Magic front office are targeting someone like Dennis Smith JR or D.Fox, any interest in Payton? really came into his own to end the season, still on rookie deal, along with #25 and another asset? Correct me if i am wrong (I dont watch a lot of Mav's games), PG spot looked a little bleak on Dallas last year.

Let's help each other out here.. dirk needs a pg and u need lotto pick too.

Rubio or Dunn ( your choice) plus pick 6
For
Barnes and pick number 9 or your first round next year



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Blazer50 wrote:Harrison Barnes and Wes Matthews for
Allen Crabbe (3 pt shooting), Evan Turner (facilitator - Chandler Parsons role & Wes' Defense)
and one of Mo Harkless or Meyers Leonard + the 20th pick.

Dallas and portland arent good trade partners because outside of dame and cj theres nothing on portland we'd want. This deal for example is terrible, we trade 2 starters for 2 bench players and a late pick

I'm in the group that doesn't expect Dallas to trade Barnes and doesn't really want them to. Most deals would either make us awful for Dirk's last year or be far too shortshighted.. Call it Sac's offer or Melo. So it's better to just run next season, aim for 8th but not get it. Sell off Wes or Yogi, maybe DFS if he looks good, pick 9th and then pick 6th the following year and then trade Barnes in 2020.

But Streakers' idea. I'd be very happy with Isaac and Rubio for Barnes and Smith. Or whatever it worked out to be. Dunn would be better for the Mavs long term, but Rubio would be that common ground of helping Dirk/helping future... And I have always wanted Rubio on the mavs..

I don't think Minnesota actually offers that at all though, Barnes would fill a big need and fit great but I don't think he is worth Rubio and trading back.

I'd love Rubio on the Mavs, but not for Barnes. Rubio, Barnes, Dirk, and Noel could make the playoffs. I'd trade Barrea, Harris, or Matthews in some combo. See if you can pry Lavine away. Matthews is a better fit next to Wiggins anyway. Send some picks w/ it.

Though, I don't think there's anyway Minny entertains this deal w/o Barnes included. And Dallas doesn't have the picks to give.

Either way, I'd like to see Rubio on that team. He need sto go somewhere that appreciates what he does.