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OKC/Brooklyn/Charlotte/Denver

Posted: Sat Sep 9, 2017 12:13 am
by bondom34
I never do 4 team deals, but I'm bored and know I'll get blasted for it but w/e.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ycq8erm2

OKC Out: Kanter, McDermott, Chicago 2018 2nd
In: Marvin Williams, Barton

OKC moves some semi questionable salary for more semi questionable salary and a really early 2nd for some bench power and a possible starting PF. Saves a little under the tax as well.

Brooklyn Out: Lin, Booker
In: Kanter, McDermott, Chicago 2nd

Brooklyn lets D Lo run the point and gains an extra asset plus a young shooter. Kanter can put up points, and their frontcourt right now is incredibly thin, he'd be an upgrade over anything they've got this year and at least be an expiring next year if they don't want him longer.

Denver Out: Nelson, Barton
In: Lin

Denver upgrades the starting PG a bit until they know the young guys can handle it. Lin would also be great off the bench.

Charlotte out: Marv
In: Booker, Nelson

Charlotte moves Marv's deal for an expiring and gets a backup PG better than MCW to bump him to 3rd string.

Note: This also works with Nelson to Brooklyn instead of Charlotte if they need a PG. OKC could send Semaj too but you don't want him.

Re: OKC/Brooklyn/Charlotte/Denver

Posted: Sat Sep 9, 2017 12:19 am
by pacers33granger
I think Charlotte's getting a little too good of a deal based on value, but it doesn't seem to be at the expense of anyone else that I can see. I like it all around, though personally I'd prefer to deal Barton for an asset and just give Mudiay another chance, but I'm not high on Lin at all.

Re: OKC/Brooklyn/Charlotte/Denver

Posted: Sat Sep 9, 2017 12:29 am
by jbk1234
I don't think Charlotte does it with Dwight. Big men who can shoot are too important to that team now. I also think that the Nets pass although I'd love it if I were wrong.

Re: OKC/Brooklyn/Charlotte/Denver

Posted: Sat Sep 9, 2017 12:34 am
by Mystical Apples
The rationale for moving Marvin is freeing up minutes for Frank to start and sliding MKG and Batum up 1 position in smaller lineups. Swapping Marvin for Booker likely results in Booker getting squeezed from both directions....there just isn't a role for him between non-shooters Zeller, Dwight, and MKG.

I like the idea but CHA doesn't do this without Barton or Lin coming back.

Re: OKC/Brooklyn/Charlotte/Denver

Posted: Sat Sep 9, 2017 12:39 am
by Rapcity_11
Don't think I'd do it as Charlotte. Clearing Marv doesn't do much for them in terms of flexibility. OKC has to kick in more.

Value is pretty good all around though. Good idea.

Re: OKC/Brooklyn/Charlotte/Denver

Posted: Sat Sep 9, 2017 12:42 am
by bondom34
Hm, trying to think of anything OKC could send to Charlotte as far as guards go but there's not much I'd see workable. Was hoping Booker's shooting would be enough for them, and thought the Lin experiment was over there.

Re: OKC/Brooklyn/Charlotte/Denver

Posted: Sat Sep 9, 2017 12:43 am
by Rapcity_11
Mystical Apples wrote:The rationale for moving Marvin is freeing up minutes for Frank to start and sliding MKG and Batum up 1 position in smaller lineups. Swapping Marvin for Booker likely results in Booker getting squeezed from both directions....there just isn't a role for him between non-shooters Zeller, Dwight, and MKG.

I like the idea but CHA doesn't do this without Barton or Lin coming back.


If the rationale is freeing up minutes for a mediocre big who can't defend, well then, you gotta do it.

Re: OKC/Brooklyn/Charlotte/Denver

Posted: Sat Sep 9, 2017 12:45 am
by Rapcity_11
bondom34 wrote:Hm, trying to think of anything OKC could send to Charlotte as far as guards go but there's not much I'd see workable. Was hoping Booker's shooting would be enough for them, and thought the Lin experiment was over there.


Booker can't really shoot.

Re: OKC/Brooklyn/Charlotte/Denver

Posted: Sat Sep 9, 2017 12:50 am
by Mystical Apples
bondom34 wrote:Hm, trying to think of anything OKC could send to Charlotte as far as guards go but there's not much I'd see workable. Was hoping Booker's shooting would be enough for them, and thought the Lin experiment was over there.


Not sure of the solution but generally speaking a large PG who defends SG's next Monk and can play SG next to Kemba. Or a larger wing than Lamb for 3 wing lineups.

Re: OKC/Brooklyn/Charlotte/Denver

Posted: Sat Sep 9, 2017 12:55 am
by bondom34
Mystical Apples wrote:
bondom34 wrote:Hm, trying to think of anything OKC could send to Charlotte as far as guards go but there's not much I'd see workable. Was hoping Booker's shooting would be enough for them, and thought the Lin experiment was over there.


Not sure of the solution but generally speaking a large PG who defends SG's next Monk and can play SG next to Kemba. Or a larger wing than Lamb for 3 wing lineups.

McDermott works there but then the Nets are getting next to nothing and it feels too good for Charlotte.

Re: OKC/Brooklyn/Charlotte/Denver

Posted: Sat Sep 9, 2017 1:10 am
by Mystical Apples
bondom34 wrote:
Mystical Apples wrote:
bondom34 wrote:Hm, trying to think of anything OKC could send to Charlotte as far as guards go but there's not much I'd see workable. Was hoping Booker's shooting would be enough for them, and thought the Lin experiment was over there.


Not sure of the solution but generally speaking a large PG who defends SG's next Monk and can play SG next to Kemba. Or a larger wing than Lamb for 3 wing lineups.

McDermott works there but then the Nets are getting next to nothing and it feels too good for Charlotte.


Too bad Oladipo is no longer an option. OKC totally blew that one.

Re: OKC/Brooklyn/Charlotte/Denver

Posted: Sat Sep 9, 2017 2:00 am
by HornetJail
pass. Marvin > Booker and Nelson doesn't really move the needle. OKC just steals a ton of value here.

Re: OKC/Brooklyn/Charlotte/Denver

Posted: Sat Sep 9, 2017 2:37 am
by Mykhyn
I think I rate Marvin Williams higher than you.

I see him as more needed in Charlotte and I don't see OKC giving up enough to get him.

Rest seems ok. Maybe have Denver add a little.

Re: OKC/Brooklyn/Charlotte/Denver

Posted: Sat Sep 9, 2017 2:43 am
by K_chile22
I don't like this for the Nets. Getting off Kanter for McD and a second feels kinda light in a salary dump, and Lin probably has decent value to the Nets as he and DLo will likely play together, and Booker is an expiring

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Re: OKC/Brooklyn/Charlotte/Denver

Posted: Sat Sep 9, 2017 3:16 am
by GoBobs
I would pass for charlotte. Marvin Williams is a decent player. He is a bit streaky, but a good locker room guy and he won't be moved unless it is a clear upgrade.

Post all star break last year he gave us 11.6 pts 8.5 reb 1.8 ast 1 blk and 0.8 stl on 45% fg 36% 3pt and 91% ft

Last March he averaged like 13 pts and 10 rebs

He had games of 27, 21, 19, 18 and 15 pts during that stretch. He also had two 18 reb games. Charlotte should defiantly hang on to him.

Re: OKC/Brooklyn/Charlotte/Denver

Posted: Sat Sep 9, 2017 4:52 am
by bondom34
Alright it was worth a shot, didn't think Marv was this highly valued.