Best Young Player/Draft Pick For Trevor Ariza

[NYG]

If the Rockets included Trevor Ariza in a Melo deal and the Knicks flipped him for a young player or draft pick, what would be the best return they would be looking at?

This thread is to find the value in this hypothetical situation, not to debate whether or not the Rockets would include Ariza or not.

[Mamba4Goat]

Okafor.

[RightToCensor]

New Orleans Protected 1st

[Mamba4Goat]

New Orleans Protected 1st

Unless it was attached to Asik I don't see New Orleans giving up a first just for Ariza.

[NYG]

If the Knicks decided going all in on draft picks and then building a team for the free agency of 2020 (Noah and Lee expire), would Atlanta add the T'Wolves and Rockets '18 1sts to a Ryan Anderson for Kent Bazemore and Miles Plumlee swap considering the amount of cap space saved?

[NYG]

New Orleans Protected 1st

Unless it was attached to Asik I don't see New Orleans giving up a first just for Ariza.

What is the minimal protection possible if Asik were attached?

[NoZoLakers]

Clarkson/chi 2nd/den 2nd

[jbk1234]

New Orleans Protected 1st

Unless it was attached to Asik I don't see New Orleans giving up a first just for Ariza.

What is the minimal protection possible if Asik were attached?

Top 5 probably but it wouldn't matter because the Pelicans are almost certainly making the playoffs if they add Ariza and stay healthy.

[jayu70]

If the Knicks decided going all in on draft picks and then building a team for the free agency of 2020 (Noah and Lee expire), would Atlanta add the T'Wolves and Rockets '18 1sts to a Ryan Anderson for Kent Bazemore and Miles Plumlee swap considering the amount of cap space saved?

The contracts of Bazemore and Anderson you can write off as a wash (Bazemore makes a little less $7 mil less over the 3 years plus Bazemore final year is a player option), so that leaves Plumlee's $12.5 mil. I don't see Atlanta giving up 2 picks to move Plumlee. Atlanta would keep the picks and stretch Plumlee.

[Resistance]

Clarkson/chi 2nd/den 2nd

Houston already has a better combo guard coming off the bench in Gordon for slightly more salary than what Clarkson is getting paid.

Houston has no need for Clarkson.

[NoZoLakers]

Clarkson/chi 2nd/den 2nd

Houston already has a better combo guard coming off the bench in Gordon for slightly more salary than what Clarkson is getting paid.

Houston has no need for Clarkson.

Try reading op better

[Resistance]

Clarkson/chi 2nd/den 2nd

Houston already has a better combo guard coming off the bench in Gordon for slightly more salary than what Clarkson is getting paid.

Houston has no need for Clarkson.

Try reading op instead

OK
I just reread it

The Knicks already have Courtney Lee, Hardaway and Baker locked in on multi year contracts, so no minutes for Clarkson at SG.

C Randle, J Jack, and Ntilikina to compete for minutes at PG.


Whether it is to Houston or NY, there isn't enough need for Clarkson to justify trading for him.

[NoZoLakers]

Houston already has a better combo guard coming off the bench in Gordon for slightly more salary than what Clarkson is getting paid.

Houston has no need for Clarkson.

Try reading op instead

OK
I just reread it

The Knicks already have Courtney Lee, Hardaway and Baker locked in on multi year contracts, so no minutes for Clarkson at SG.

C Randle, J Jack, and Ntilikina to compete for minutes at PG.


Whether it is to Houston or NY, there isn't enough need for Clarkson to justify trading for him.

Baker/randle arent very good, some contendi g team could eventually come calling for lee, clarkson is only 25ish, can still.grow with nyk core

[Resistance]

Try reading op instead

OK
I just reread it

The Knicks already have Courtney Lee, Hardaway and Baker locked in on multi year contracts, so no minutes for Clarkson at SG.

C Randle, J Jack, and Ntilikina to compete for minutes at PG.


Whether it is to Houston or NY, there isn't enough need for Clarkson to justify trading for him.

Baker/randle arent very good, some contendi g team could eventually come calling for lee, clarkson is only 25ish, can still.grow with nyk core

Baker is probably the third string SG, so expectations should be low for him. He averaged 16.5 MPG last season and that should go lower with the addition of Hardaway. If Clarkson slots in as the third SG, then perhaps 10 - 12 MPG and making quite a bit of salary while doing it.

Salary wise, Baker ($8.9 million) and Randle ($1.3 million) are owed very little compared to Clarkson ($37.5 million).

Since your trade proposal has a SF (Ariza) going out with a bench combo guard (Clarkson) coming in, a roster imbalance is created for the Knicks that isn't being addressed. Adding Clarkson as the third level SG and bumping Baker down to fourth level SG makes absolutely no sense for the Knicks. Perhaps Lee will get traded and maybe he won't. The Knicks are taking a huge risk bringing Clarkson in without already having a trade lined up for Lee.


After taking a quick glance at some stats for Clarkson, it appears that at best his development has stalled after three seasons with the Lakers and perhaps he has even regressed. What is the basis for your suggestion that he can grow with the Knicks when he hasn't grown with the Lakers?

[NoZoLakers]

OK
I just reread it

The Knicks already have Courtney Lee, Hardaway and Baker locked in on multi year contracts, so no minutes for Clarkson at SG.

C Randle, J Jack, and Ntilikina to compete for minutes at PG.


Whether it is to Houston or NY, there isn't enough need for Clarkson to justify trading for him.

Baker/randle arent very good, some contendi g team could eventually come calling for lee, clarkson is only 25ish, can still.grow with nyk core

Baker is probably the third string SG, so expectations should be low for him. He averaged 16.5 MPG last season and that should go lower with the addition of Hardaway. If Clarkson slots in as the third SG, then perhaps 10 - 12 MPG and making quite a bit of salary while doing it.

Salary wise, Baker ($8.9 million) and Randle ($1.3 million) are owed very little compared to Clarkson ($37.5 million).

Since your trade proposal has a SF (Ariza) going out with a bench combo guard (Clarkson) coming in, a roster imbalance is created for the Knicks that isn't being addressed. Adding Clarkson as the third level SG and bumping Baker down to fourth level SG makes absolutely no sense for the Knicks. Perhaps Lee will get traded and maybe he won't. The Knicks are taking a huge risk bringing Clarkson in without already having a trade lined up for Lee.


After taking a quick glance at some stats for Clarkson, it appears that at best his development has stalled after three seasons with the Lakers and perhaps he has even regressed. What is the basis for your suggestion that he can grow with the Knicks when he hasn't grown with the Lakers?

Defined role as combo guard, he looked solid rookie yr playing pg, than russell/lou came and his role less clear and kept changing

[Resistance]

Baker/randle arent very good, some contendi g team could eventually come calling for lee, clarkson is only 25ish, can still.grow with nyk core

Baker is probably the third string SG, so expectations should be low for him. He averaged 16.5 MPG last season and that should go lower with the addition of Hardaway. If Clarkson slots in as the third SG, then perhaps 10 - 12 MPG and making quite a bit of salary while doing it.

Salary wise, Baker ($8.9 million) and Randle ($1.3 million) are owed very little compared to Clarkson ($37.5 million).

Since your trade proposal has a SF (Ariza) going out with a bench combo guard (Clarkson) coming in, a roster imbalance is created for the Knicks that isn't being addressed. Adding Clarkson as the third level SG and bumping Baker down to fourth level SG makes absolutely no sense for the Knicks. Perhaps Lee will get traded and maybe he won't. The Knicks are taking a huge risk bringing Clarkson in without already having a trade lined up for Lee.


After taking a quick glance at some stats for Clarkson, it appears that at best his development has stalled after three seasons with the Lakers and perhaps he has even regressed. What is the basis for your suggestion that he can grow with the Knicks when he hasn't grown with the Lakers?

Defined role as combo guard, he looked solid rookie yr playing pg, than russell/lou came and his role less clear and kept changing

In his rookie year, Clarkson had Nash whispering in his ear on what to do as a PG.

Lakers' Clarkson thankful for Steve Nash's mentoring

According to Clarkson, Nash deserves credit for helping him progress.

“Steve has helped me a lot. With on the court stuff, film work, a lot of it has just been me slowing down, letting plays happen, hit guys in the right spots and stuff like that,” Clarkson told the Toronto Sun before the game.

“Steve’s been a big influence on my game.”

Even when Clarkson wasn’t seeing many minutes, Nash assisted him when the team was at home at its own facilities. First at training camp, when Nash was still active, then later when he couldn’t play anymore.

Unless something has changed recently, Nash is still working for the Warriors on special assignments for player development.

Clarkson won't have Nash to tutor him and Clarkson showed no ability to rise above an unsettled situation without Nash.

[jayjaysee]

Asik and a slightly protected first make a ton of sense. If Ariza has more value than I think he does, Alexis could be in with a first with stronger protection..

If NY refuses to be the team paying Noah, Ryno, Asik, (and THJ)...

Singler and Ferg?
Kanter, Singler, Ferg, for Ryno and Ariza? Add KOQ for a couple 2nds? NY avoids paying 3 years of bad money

Cole and Tyus? Solidifies the wings at the cost of the PG spot..


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[loserX]

Would have to think Minny would be interested, seems exactly like what Thibs is angling for.

[choccymilkpapi]

i agree I think Minnesota would be a good fit. Maybe Knicks could send Kyle O'Quinn along with Trevor Ariza for Gorgui Dieng. He'd fit nicely alongside Porzingis.

[loserX]

i agree I think Minnesota would be a good fit. Maybe Knicks could send Kyle O'Quinn along with Trevor Ariza for Gorgui Dieng. He'd fit nicely alongside Porzingis.

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