Does anyone even want Derrick Favors?
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I'd give Shumpert and Osman for Favors
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Now that Gobert is out, look for Favors to start averaging 16 -17 points and 10 - 11 rebounds.
He plays well with Rubio and put up 24/12 last night.
He plays well with Rubio and put up 24/12 last night.
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His trade value is going to go up exponentially.
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GobertReport wrote:His trade value is going to go up exponentially.
Why? He's still expiring and there still isn't a huge market for centers. Him putting up some nice stats while Gobert is out isn't going to fool teams into giving Utah a ton for the guy.
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Texas Chuck wrote:GobertReport wrote:His trade value is going to go up exponentially.
Why? He's still expiring and there still isn't a huge market for centers. Him putting up some nice stats while Gobert is out isn't going to fool teams into giving Utah a ton for the guy.
More than what they would have gotten.
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GobertReport wrote:His trade value is going to go up exponentially.
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I don't think so, he has already proven he is "healthier". 4 weeks ago I didn't think you could get a late first for him with no bad salary coming back, He has that value now- I dont see how he can return a lower 18-24 type pick 6 weeks from now.
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Will his trade value be any higher than Bledsoe's? In today's nba, bigs arent even valued as highly as guards especially immobile ones like Favors.
I can see them getting a pick in the late 20s if not couple second rd picks for him since his contract expires after this season too.
I can see them getting a pick in the late 20s if not couple second rd picks for him since his contract expires after this season too.
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patman52 wrote:GobertReport wrote:His trade value is going to go up exponentially.
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I don't think so, he has already proven he is "healthier". 4 weeks ago I didn't think you could get a late first for him with no bad salary coming back, He has that value now- I dont see how he can return a lower 18-24 type pick 6 weeks from now.
Revived wrote:Will his trade value be any higher than Bledsoe's? In today's nba, bigs arent even valued as highly as guards especially immobile ones like Favors.
I can see them getting a pick in the late 20s if not couple second rd picks for him since his contract expires after this season too.
I think if he plays well for the next 4-6 weeks we get Jabari in a trade.
Favors is not an immobile big, you must not watch the Jazz.
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Revived wrote:Will his trade value be any higher than Bledsoe's? In today's nba, bigs arent even valued as highly as guards especially immobile ones like Favors.
I can see them getting a pick in the late 20s if not couple second rd picks for him since his contract expires after this season too.
This is just false and shows a lack of understanding of what makes Favs good. Yes, he looked immobile last season when he was hurt, but he looks much better now. He can guard on the perimeter better than the vast majority of big guys. And then he is actually big enough to punish teams that play small ball. I get that he is expiring and has a history of injury that impacts his value. But he is not immobile.
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In what world is Favors an immobile big? He's one of the better bigs sticking with PGs. I swear amnesia is a horrible disease. You have one injury riddled season and people forget so easily.
Who in the league can recover like this on Bosh:
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/14924135/a-guide-most-watchable-players-nba (see point 6 on the Lowe article).
Who in the league can recover like this on Bosh:
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/14924135/a-guide-most-watchable-players-nba (see point 6 on the Lowe article).
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Count me as a longstanding member of the camp that doesn’t want to trade Favors and would prefer to re-sign him. I’ve just been waiting and hoping for him to be healthy and productive again. Favors has stated in the past that he wants to be in Utah, prefers it to the bigger cities. Hopefully the shortsightedness of fans—impatient with his injuries, clamoring for him to be traded—hasn’t turned him off.
Don’t make it personal, don’t take it personal.
Sellers don’t set market value. Buyers don’t set market value.
Market value only exists when two (or more) parties are in agreement.
Sellers don’t set market value. Buyers don’t set market value.
Market value only exists when two (or more) parties are in agreement.
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I'm puzzled by the Favors criticism. Yes, there are less spots for bigs now in general (because a lot of teams now play with a single true big instead of 2), but Favors absolutely fits the archetype of the kind of big man teams want.
Utah's problem is that Gobert is a 5 with no positional flexibility. He's great at what he does, no question, but he doesn't play well with Favors, who is a 5 with some 4 flexibility. I think his case is somewhat similar to Sabonis, who's playing very well now after being moved to the 5.
Utah's problem is that Gobert is a 5 with no positional flexibility. He's great at what he does, no question, but he doesn't play well with Favors, who is a 5 with some 4 flexibility. I think his case is somewhat similar to Sabonis, who's playing very well now after being moved to the 5.
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As a wolves fan.. I been super excited to see a pf/c style play center next to towns. I think in today’s nba. U play two pfs and he would look solid at the center position behind towns..
I wouldn’t mind a dieng/Aldrich/ okc 1st 2018/ 2019 Miami 2nd/ 2018 second round minny
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Dieng / gobert front court be fun to watch. Plus dieng plays center as gobert is down with any injuries..
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I wouldn’t mind a dieng/Aldrich/ okc 1st 2018/ 2019 Miami 2nd/ 2018 second round minny
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Dieng / gobert front court be fun to watch. Plus dieng plays center as gobert is down with any injuries..
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He’s exactly what cleveland needs at center. Big enough to take on real bigs. Quick enough to switch. Good shot blocker. Decent offensive game. They should be all over him. Offer their first and filler.
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Streakers33 wrote:As a wolves fan.. I been super excited to see a pf/c style play center next to towns. I think in today’s nba. U play two pfs and he would look solid at the center position behind towns..
I wouldn’t mind a dieng/Aldrich/ okc 1st 2018/ 2019 Miami 2nd/ 2018 second round minny
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favors / joe Johnson.
Dieng / gobert front court be fun to watch. Plus dieng plays center as gobert is down with any injuries
Also, is cost-controlled (fwiw), knows how to play with a star big, and knows how to play well off of Rubio too. I'm still iffy though for Utah.
Ditto for MIN. If he does poorly, they lose the deal, but if he does well, are they really willing to pay him next year? And Taj is going to get lots of minutes because he can switch and teach KAT defense - would MIN just be paying to swap one guy for another to sit on the bench?
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bgrep14 wrote:I'd give Shumpert and Osman for Favors
Add the Nets pick and you got yourself a deal.
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shrink wrote:Streakers33 wrote:As a wolves fan.. I been super excited to see a pf/c style play center next to towns. I think in today’s nba. U play two pfs and he would look solid at the center position behind towns..
I wouldn’t mind a dieng/Aldrich/ okc 1st 2018/ 2019 Miami 2nd/ 2018 second round minny
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favors / joe Johnson.
Dieng / gobert front court be fun to watch. Plus dieng plays center as gobert is down with any injuries
Also, is cost-controlled (fwiw), knows how to play with a star big, and knows how to play well off of Rubio too. I'm still iffy though for Utah.
Ditto for MIN. If he does poorly, they lose the deal, but if he does well, are they really willing to pay him next year? And Taj is going to get lots of minutes because he can switch and teach KAT defense - would MIN just be paying to swap one guy for another to sit on the bench?
I think with this deal. U run towns and favors together at the start and out play other teams bigs. And Gibson/Patton/bjelica become you back up bigs. Gibson is still there for practice and will still play a ton of mins ( as I cringe)...
the problem with “how can u pay him, if he does well”... winning solves everything.. players are willing to take fair value. Or even a pay cut to be happy.. paying favors around dieng type money for an extension, if he does well and we are winning won’t hurt your feelings at all... winning basketball solves all these lil things that non winning teams are always worried about .. if u wanna vent about money.. Wiggins should have been told he makes what jimmy makes plus a lil more.. and that’s it.. then u could have done same with towns and then u have 3 stars (like other teams) and not in tax hell...
It’s kinda like the wes Mathews for dieng convo.. both teams are better after the trade.. even though they look lost on their current team.. I wanna see dieng next to a run protector like gobert and watch the lil things he misses go away and he shines
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Hoping to sign him in the off season for the Mavs. Don’t know if we have the pieces the Jazz wants to initiate a trade though.
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shrink wrote:Streakers33 wrote:As a wolves fan.. I been super excited to see a pf/c style play center next to towns. I think in today’s nba. U play two pfs and he would look solid at the center position behind towns..
I wouldn’t mind a dieng/Aldrich/ okc 1st 2018/ 2019 Miami 2nd/ 2018 second round minny
For
favors / joe Johnson.
Dieng / gobert front court be fun to watch. Plus dieng plays center as gobert is down with any injuries
Also, is cost-controlled (fwiw), knows how to play with a star big, and knows how to play well off of Rubio too. I'm still iffy though for Utah.
Ditto for MIN. If he does poorly, they lose the deal, but if he does well, are they really willing to pay him next year? And Taj is going to get lots of minutes because he can switch and teach KAT defense - would MIN just be paying to swap one guy for another to sit on the bench?
Terrible deal for the jazz. We take on long term salary for a player on Dieng that is simply not that good.
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GobertReport wrote:patman52 wrote:GobertReport wrote:His trade value is going to go up exponentially.
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I don't think so, he has already proven he is "healthier". 4 weeks ago I didn't think you could get a late first for him with no bad salary coming back, He has that value now- I dont see how he can return a lower 18-24 type pick 6 weeks from now.Revived wrote:Will his trade value be any higher than Bledsoe's? In today's nba, bigs arent even valued as highly as guards especially immobile ones like Favors.
I can see them getting a pick in the late 20s if not couple second rd picks for him since his contract expires after this season too.
I think if he plays well for the next 4-6 weeks we get Jabari in a trade.
Favors is not an immobile big, you must not watch the Jazz.
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Idk what he’s talking about with that immobile statement.
Im a fan of Favors but there’s 0 chance you get Jabari Parker for him in any sort of straight up deal. Jabari is the only chance that the Bucks have of pairing Giannis with an elite scorer since their cap space is tied up. Maybe in a cap clearing deal that gives them close to max space like Favors/Johnson+filler for Henson/Delly/Parker.
I also don’t think the next 4-6 weeks will effect his trade value. He’s been in the league for like 7 years and I’m sure that every NBA front office understands who he is. His low value stems from the fact that he can walk for nothing in the off season and the fact that most teams that are willing to invest 1st round picks in win now talent either have an established Center or lack the assets to get him. Even the Bucks wouldn’t be able to offer a 1st rounder until 2 seasons after they send a 1st to the Suns, which I doubt will be this year.
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