KOTB The Wolves and Wall Street (The remake) (Point scored)

[HartfordWhalers]

If you feel like both teams would make this deal, please vote yes, if not, vote no. Or some such.


NYK out: Lance Thomas: $6,655,325 $7,119,650 $7,583,975 (but only 1m gtd) for

Minn out: Cole Aldrich $7,300,000 $6,956,021 (~2m gtd) 2018 MIN 2nd and right to swap Mia 2019 2nd with Least favorable of Orl/Cle/Hou 2019 2nd

Knicks clear money next year and get a 2018 2nd a the right to move up from Houston's late 2nd to Miami's mid 2nd in 2019. Minnesota gets a sf that can help eat the 15 mpg that Shabazz is getting and play defense that makes Thibs happy.

[getrichordie]

Dilly! Dilly! The New York Knicks shall now be hereforth known as the New York Centers.

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Enes Kanter
Willy Hernangomez
Krystaps Porzingis
Joakim Noah
Kyle O’Quinn
Cole Aldrich

Why not I suppose?

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[FutureKnicksGM]

KOTB: Yes

Yep ideally we can flip Cole for a non-center expiring afterwards, but yes for NY get a late second and potentially open up a spot in the rotation for Dotson.

MIN get a solid backup SF who can D up and is on track to shoot 40% plus from 3 for the third year running, for a big that will never see the floor. LT will make Thibs happy, while the 2 years left on his deal will keep Shrink happy.

[wolves_89]

Wolves say no. I think the Wolves will move Aldrich in a deal for a wing, but Thomas is not really good enough to improve Minnesota's rotation. I think the Wolves will target players a step above Thomas and could see an Aldrich (plus pick) deal for a player like Shumpert or Dudley before the trade deadline

[Streakers33]

This follows exactly what wolves would look into trading cole.. either a wing or clear money..
And isn't too expensive..

Vote yes


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[daoneandonly]

I'd vote KOTB Yes

Small enough that it's not going to have any real effects on either team this year, but the picks and space makes sense for each respective team.

[shrink]

KOTB: no

I would like to like this deal, but next season MIN will likely be well into the lux even if they let Aldrich expire, with MIN adding Wiggins' max deal, probably Bjelica and an MLE. With the lux taxes applied, Lance's effective cost next year would probably be around $11.5 mil. He's only getting 15 mpg in NYK, and I think it's easy to assume he''d get less under Thibs. I don't think Lance's impact can justify that money.

I think the more likely course is that they stick with Bazz on the vet min deal this season, then in the summer use the MLE for a back up SF, and decline Aldrich's team option to save lots of lux money. Boring year for the Wolves on the trade board, unless they choose the unlikely option to trade Teague for a different starting PG. With the minutes Thibs gives starters, trading a starter is the most meaningful way to improve the team, and it looks like four spots are locked up.

[HartfordWhalers]

KOTB: no

I would like to like this deal, but next season MIN will likely be well into the lux even if they let Aldrich expire, with MIN adding Wiggins' max deal, probably Bjelica and an MLE. With the lux taxes applied, Lance's effective cost next year would probably be around $11.5 mil. He's only getting 15 mpg in NYK, and I think it's easy to assume he''d get less under Thibs. I don't think Lance's impact can justify that money.

I think the more likely course is that they stick with Bazz on the vet min deal this season, then in the summer use the MLE for a back up SF, and decline Aldrich's team option to save lots of lux money. Boring year for the Wolves on the trade board, unless they choose the unlikely option to trade Teague for a different starting PG. With the minutes Thibs gives starters, trading a starter is the most meaningful way to improve the team, and it looks like four spots are locked up.

Tax MLE is 5,292,000. Declining Aldrich and using that MLE (and not the bigger non tax one) is still more money than Lance.

Alternatively, if Minnesota is not even using the taxpayer MLE, I'm not sure how much of a contributor you can get.

[shrink]

KOTB: no

I would like to like this deal, but next season MIN will likely be well into the lux even if they let Aldrich expire, with MIN adding Wiggins' max deal, probably Bjelica and an MLE. With the lux taxes applied, Lance's effective cost next year would probably be around $11.5 mil. He's only getting 15 mpg in NYK, and I think it's easy to assume he''d get less under Thibs. I don't think Lance's impact can justify that money.

I think the more likely course is that they stick with Bazz on the vet min deal this season, then in the summer use the MLE for a back up SF, and decline Aldrich's team option to save lots of lux money. Boring year for the Wolves on the trade board, unless they choose the unlikely option to trade Teague for a different starting PG. With the minutes Thibs gives starters, trading a starter is the most meaningful way to improve the team, and it looks like four spots are locked up.

Tax MLE is 5,292,000. Declining Aldrich and using that MLE (and not the bigger non tax one) is still more money than Lance.

Alternatively, if Minnesota is not even using the taxpayer MLE, I'm not sure how much of a contributor you can get.

The difference is paying for both. This locks out the preferable possibility of using the MLE.

Can the wolves do better in free agency, for their lesser bench needs, than paying Lance $7.1? I believe so for bench players in 2019, and moreso because every dollar they save won't be lux taxed, while they keep the option to not use the full $5.3.

[Trader_Joe]

I like it for both. I can see Thibs liking Thomas' D and he's really not needed in NY.
KOTB: Yes

[HartfordWhalers]

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Enes Kanter
Willy Hernangomez
Krystaps Porzingis
Joakim Noah
Kyle O’Quinn
Cole Aldrich

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Is that a KOTB yes both teams would do it?

[Mush Man]

Kota yes

Knicks should say yes to every deal that cuts years of non core guys plus adds assets

Thomas seems like exactly the sort of player Thibs would maximize

Good trade. Easy yes

[Texas Chuck]

So this is like Godfather II where the sequel is better than the original?

Nice work improving on my failed bit.

[getrichordie]

Dilly! Dilly! The New York Knicks shall now be hereforth known as the New York Centers.

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Enes Kanter
Willy Hernangomez
Krystaps Porzingis
Joakim Noah
Kyle O’Quinn
Cole Aldrich

Why not I suppose?

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Is that a KOTB yes both teams would do it?

yes