Suns Go Get Aaron Gordon

[jredsaz]

ORL gets Knight, Chandler, 2018 PHX 1st (3), 2018 MIA 1st (7)*

PHX gets Gordon, Vucivic, Hezonja

*If 2018 PHX 1st falls in the top 3 and does not convey, ORL receives 2019 PHX 1st and 2021 MIA 1st (both unprotected). If the 2018 MIA 1st falls in the top 7 and does not convey, ORL receives the 2019 MIA 1st (unprotected)

Magic receive multiple firsts back for a package highlighted by AG. Suns pick will most likely fall in the 5-10 range. Added to Isacc and Orlando's own top 5 pick a new core will quickly take shape for the new regime. The Knight contract isnt the albatross it once was with only two years left - especially for a team hitting reset and the contracts of Biyombo and Augustine still on the books.

Suns receive Gordon and speed up the timeline. The addition of Knight and the expiering Hezonja off-set Gordon's looming cap hold of $13.75 million allowing the Suns to maintain $25-$30 million in cap room this off-season. Vucivic is a good player that will expire in 2019 - the same year as Dudleys contract.

[vege]

You probably need to remove Knight or add more value to Orlando, but if Orlando want to rebuild through the draft this is not terrible, I don't think they should do it.

The way I see, Knight should cost the Miami 1st to be moved (maybe even a better pick/prospect) and only a few teams would do it, not sure if Orlando would.

Vucevic should get a mid/late 1st back in a swap for Chandler.

Gordon should be worth at least Phoenix 1st.

[Stillwater]

Orlando would not do that

[GatorbaitDD]

Taking back way too many bad assets compared to what we're giving up. The picks are nice though.

[Ducklett]

I could get behind this if Mario was left out and the Miami pick was from 2021 instead of this year with one of the bad suns contracts being changed or leave both in and give the Miami 2018 pick as compensation for taking the bad deals.

Suns pick has to be top 1 instead of top 3 protection because if it isn't given this year we traded AG for nothing and protecting all of the lotto would be too much risk.

If the pick has to be top 3 protected, which I totally understand from your side, the whole deal would need to be reworked with young players and picks.

[tiderulz]

ORL gets Knight, Chandler, 2018 PHX 1st (3), 2018 MIA 1st (7)*

PHX gets Gordon, Vucivic, Hezonja

*If 2018 PHX 1st falls in the top 3 and does not convey, ORL receives 2019 PHX 1st and 2021 MIA 1st (both unprotected). If the 2018 MIA 1st falls in the top 7 and does not convey, ORL receives the 2019 MIA 1st (unprotected)

Magic receive multiple firsts back for a package highlighted by AG. Suns pick will most likely fall in the 5-10 range. Added to Isacc and Orlando's own top 5 pick a new core will quickly take shape for the new regime. The Knight contract isnt the albatross it once was with only two years left - especially for a team hitting reset and the contracts of Biyombo and Augustine still on the books.

Suns receive Gordon and speed up the timeline. The addition of Knight and the expiering Hezonja off-set Gordon's looming cap hold of $13.75 million allowing the Suns to maintain $25-$30 million in cap room this off-season. Vucivic is a good player that will expire in 2019 - the same year as Dudleys contract.

I wanted to hate this. But if the new FO is really wanting to move on from AG, this is a decent package.

[Skybox]

I guess it's good value for Orl but I'm hoping IF they go forward without AG, it's for another established young player (not only picks-no matter how high).

[shrink]

I like the idea of Aaron Gordon going to PHX, and I like the idea of ORL getting rebuild assets. Both teams can win a deal like this. But do you know who loses? Magic fans who have bought season tickets for the rest of this year.

Instead of one of these (complicated) picks, give them Bender or Chriss. Let those ticket-buying fans say, "yeah, I know we lost our two best players, but I want to go and see what this young kid can do." And why does PHX need Bender, Chriss, Vuk and Gordon anyway?

[Audi]

hmm..I have to agree with what others have said - I think it's a bit much for Orl to take on contractually and getting that PHX pick this year conveyed if of utmost importance so they'd likely want the protections lowered a little. Maybe sweeten it a bit with something like:

Orl Out: Vuc, Gordon, Payton
Orl In: Knight, Chriss, 2018 1st (top 1 protected) + 2018 MIA top 7 protected (with the conveyance unchanged from OP) ?

[jredsaz]

Taking back way too many bad assets compared to what we're giving up. The picks are nice though.

Again, Knights contract isn't as bad as it was two years ago. He clears the same year as Biyombo and Augustine. In the summer of 2020 the only contracts on the books are Fornier, Isaac, and the picks made in the interim. That's exactly the kind of cap filler you should want coming back. It provides a timeline and cap flexibility. There is still a chance the 26 year old Knight plays decent when he returns too.

Chandler 2019 expiering can be used as an asset if possible. If not you pay a professional to help the younger players develop for one season.

[Ducklett]

Taking back way too many bad assets compared to what we're giving up. The picks are nice though.

Again, Knights contract isn't as bad as it was two years ago. He clears the same year as Biyombo and Augustine. In the summer of 2020 the only contracts on the books are Fornier, Isaac, and the picks made in the interim. That's exactly the kind of cap filler you should want coming back. It provides a timeline and cap flexibility. There is still a chance the 26 year old Knight plays decent when he returns too.

Chandler 2019 expiering can be used as an asset if possible. If not you pay a professional to help the younger players develop for one season.

Well ****, with that logic Biyombo's contract is a trade chip. Let's go boys!

But seriously, let's break it down.

Taking Knight and Chandler's contracts would cost a pick. That would make this trade AG, Mario, and Vuc for a heavily protected pick.

[jredsaz]

Taking back way too many bad assets compared to what we're giving up. The picks are nice though.

Again, Knights contract isn't as bad as it was two years ago. He clears the same year as Biyombo and Augustine. In the summer of 2020 the only contracts on the books are Fornier, Isaac, and the picks made in the interim. That's exactly the kind of cap filler you should want coming back. It provides a timeline and cap flexibility. There is still a chance the 26 year old Knight plays decent when he returns too.

Chandler 2019 expiering can be used as an asset if possible. If not you pay a professional to help the younger players develop for one season.

Well ****, with that logic Biyombo's contract is a trade chip. Let's go boys!

But seriously, let's break it down.

Taking Knight and Chandler's contracts would cost a pick. That would make this trade AG, Mario, and Vuc for a heavily protected pick.

I do believe Biyombo, Knigh, and Augustine will become valuable beginning in the 2019-2020 season. Almost $40 million in expierings contracts is valuable in a cap strapped NBA.

I don't know how you consider a top 3 protected pick heavy protection. If the pick does not convey Orlando receive a total of 3 first round picks.

Magic check their boxes - they get multiple 1st round picks and maintain long term cap flexibility.

[jredsaz]

hmm..I have to agree with what others have said - I think it's a bit much for Orl to take on contractually and getting that PHX pick this year conveyed if of utmost importance so they'd likely want the protections lowered a little. Maybe sweeten it a bit with something like:

Orl Out: Vuc, Gordon, Payton
Orl In: Knight, Chriss, 2018 1st (top 1 protected) + 2018 MIA top 7 protected (with the conveyance unchanged from OP) ?

The Knight contract offsets the cap hold. It's essential for Phoenix to keep their short term cap flexibility if they accelerate the timeline. The Magic do not want to commit $106+ million over the next four years on Gordon. Instead the reset and have the most cap space in the NBA in the summer of 2020 if they want it.

Adding Chriss or Bender to the package is too much imo

[Furinkazan]

Its a good offer but personally Id pass.

Im a gambler all right but not when it comes to Magic future.I woudnt do it if it was top 3 protection on it.Im not a fan of conveying the picks because we dont know what future holds that pick may very well end up being 10+ in 19 as you would basicly get Magic current nucleus + your youngs intact...this could most likely produce a team that could flirt with playoffs and hover around 8-11th place in 19.
Magic organisation isnt very lucky lately.I do something str8 up for unprotected pick Id rather add value in Payton and eat another bad contract in Dudley for unprotected picks if they wanted.Not to mention cap space after Magic ate all those bad contracts
SUNS young guns +guys they got from this trade+FA signings Im actually 100% sure you would flirt with playoffs in 19 making that pick a joke.

[Audi]

Top 3 really isn't what I consider "heavily protected" under most circumstances, but seeing as the pick currently sits at #5, it's enough to make a GM think twice, because while 3 first rounders is nice and all, this is undoubtedly the draft class you want that pick in. Can you imagine the backlash if you just dealt your best young talent and PHO walked away with him AND a top 3 pick? Just like PHO needs to expedite their process with dumping some of those bloated contracts, ORL needs to do the same with picks. Not saying they would, but PHO would have every incentive to tank hard, and this scenario is not outside of the realm of possibility even without the ping pong balls falling their way. So it's not that it's heavily protected, but when the ink is dried, it's just way too close to comfort with those protections on there.

[jredsaz]

Top 3 really isn't what I consider "heavily protected" under most circumstances, but seeing as the pick currently sits at #5, it's enough to make a GM think twice, because while 3 first rounders is nice and all, this is undoubtedly the draft class you want that pick in. Can you imagine the backlash if you just dealt your best young talent and PHO walked away with him AND a top 3 pick? Just like PHO needs to expedite their process with dumping some of those bloated contracts, ORL needs to do the same with picks. Not saying they would, but PHO would have every incentive to tank hard, and this scenario is not outside of the realm of possibility even without the ping pong balls falling their way. So it's not that it's heavily protected, but when the ink is dried, it's just way too close to comfort with those protections on there.

As a Suns fan I'm concerned that AG isn't worth the massive contract we would be committing to him. I think this trade pushes both teams out on a limb a little bit but that's the nature of a trade like this.

Obviously if the pick doesn't convey this off season the theory would be that Phonix will get better. It's why the Magic would receive the 2021 MIA 1st as well as the 2019 PHX 1st. Thats a lot of return.

[Audi]

Top 3 really isn't what I consider "heavily protected" under most circumstances, but seeing as the pick currently sits at #5, it's enough to make a GM think twice, because while 3 first rounders is nice and all, this is undoubtedly the draft class you want that pick in. Can you imagine the backlash if you just dealt your best young talent and PHO walked away with him AND a top 3 pick? Just like PHO needs to expedite their process with dumping some of those bloated contracts, ORL needs to do the same with picks. Not saying they would, but PHO would have every incentive to tank hard, and this scenario is not outside of the realm of possibility even without the ping pong balls falling their way. So it's not that it's heavily protected, but when the ink is dried, it's just way too close to comfort with those protections on there.

As a Suns fan I'm concerned that AG isn't worth the massive contract we would be committing to him. I think this trade pushes both teams out on a limb a little bit but that's the nature of a trade like this.

Obviously if the pick doesn't convey this off season the theory would be that Phonix will get better. It's why the Magic would receive the 2021 MIA 1st as well as the 2019 PHX 1st. Thats a lot of return.

The concern is understandable. The difference, though, is that AG doesn't get to dictate or directly influence how much he makes - the market will do that entirely. PHX, on the other hand, does get to influence how many games they win and lose over the remainder of the reason, directly influencing their lottery odds.

[jredsaz]

Its a good offer but personally Id pass.

Im a gambler all right but not when it comes to Magic future.I woudnt do it if it was top 3 protection on it.Im not a fan of conveying the picks because we dont know what future holds that pick may very well end up being 10+ in 19 as you would basicly get Magic current nucleus + your youngs intact...this could most likely produce a team that could flirt with playoffs and hover around 8-11th place in 19.
Magic organisation isnt very lucky lately.I do something str8 up for unprotected pick Id rather add value in Payton and eat another bad contract in Dudley for unprotected picks if they wanted.Not to mention cap space after Magic ate all those bad contracts
SUNS young guns +guys they got from this trade+FA signings Im actually 100% sure you would flirt with playoffs in 19 making that pick a joke.

I just don't think AG has the value of a top 3 pick in this draft.

[Audi]

Its a good offer but personally Id pass.

Im a gambler all right but not when it comes to Magic future.I woudnt do it if it was top 3 protection on it.Im not a fan of conveying the picks because we dont know what future holds that pick may very well end up being 10+ in 19 as you would basicly get Magic current nucleus + your youngs intact...this could most likely produce a team that could flirt with playoffs and hover around 8-11th place in 19.
Magic organisation isnt very lucky lately.I do something str8 up for unprotected pick Id rather add value in Payton and eat another bad contract in Dudley for unprotected picks if they wanted.Not to mention cap space after Magic ate all those bad contracts
SUNS young guns +guys they got from this trade+FA signings Im actually 100% sure you would flirt with playoffs in 19 making that pick a joke.

I just don't think AG has the value of a top 3 pick in this draft.

He doesn't have that value - that is correct. But in all reality, PHX's pick isn't going to land top 3 in this draft (especially if obtaining he and Vucevic) unless they purposefully try to make it so. In all reality, it's likely to be somehwhere in the 5-10 range, which is why I still think the deal is intriguing value wise, but it's the bold/italicized part that scares me most.

[csuriano]

I guess it's good value for Orl but I'm hoping IF they go forward without AG, it's for another established young player (not only picks-no matter how high).

hmm..I have to agree with what others have said - I think it's a bit much for Orl to take on contractually and getting that PHX pick this year conveyed if of utmost importance so they'd likely want the protections lowered a little. Maybe sweeten it a bit with something like:

Orl Out: Vuc, Gordon, Payton
Orl In: Knight, Chriss, 2018 1st (top 1 protected) + 2018 MIA top 7 protected (with the conveyance unchanged from OP) ?

I like this trade from PHX's perspective, but I think we should settle on top 2 protected. Adding Gordon might actually net us a few wins and push the pick from 5 to 7, so it shouldn't be too big a concern for PHX fans. If we want to start winning next year, do we really want a rookie PG running the team? Gordon and Vuc would help us more.
Receiving Vucevic likely means either a) Chandler is traded at the deadline to a contender or b) We let Len walk this summer.
I'm not sure I like the PG market this summer, which would mean having to match offers on Payton during a PG drought. That could put us in an ugly situation but nothing can be worse than our current PG situation.
Overall, a) I think the value is there for both teams and b) each teams benefits from the proposal, so it is a good trade.