Tor / Por

[Duffman100]

Derozan, Ibaka, Future 2nd

for

CJ, Harkless and Leonard

Why for Toronto?
Go with a younger SG with better 3P%, split Ibaka's deal into smaller contracts.

Why for Portland
Try someone new beside Lillard, you get an All-Star for CJ. You turn Harkless and Leonard into higher production in Ibaka. Get a future 2nd.

[Blazinaway]

That's interesting, I'm not a fan of trading for DeRozan because of the shooting issues as we already have ET who has the same issues. How bout CJ and ET for the same deal and I'll add Swanigan

[Wiltside]

Pretty reasonable trade. Could see it happening tbh. Might be shuffling the deck chairs a little but worth the gamble for both. CJ and DeMar both make about the same money.

[Norm2953]

This is a trade that has been discussed on the Blazers board and has a chance to get done if both teams
want to shake things up. CJ might be a really good fit in Toronto with his perimeter shot.

[chaliban]

Posted something similar in the Trading Demar thread. Think TOR would be more likely to also trade Lowry (he's older than DDR). Move McCollum to PHI or CLE for a lotto pick.

[Norm2953]

Portland doesn't need Lowry when they have Lillard.

[chaliban]

Sorry, didn't mean to trade Lowry to POR.

[wiseoldelf]

Posted something similar in the Trading Demar thread. Think TOR would be more likely to also trade Lowry (he's older than DDR). Move McCollum to PHI or CLE for a lotto pick.

Ujiri said that there is no plan of tanking, so trading both DDR and Lowry is unlikely. Lowry is less value in the market, but better fit on the roster. So the OP is more realistic.

[machu46]

Ultimately my gut feeling is that both DeRozan and Lowry return to Toronto next season, but if a trade does go down, this is a pretty decent one. I'd be concerned about the Lowry/CJ pairing resulting in any more playoff success than Toronto has already had though.

[Mr Swagtastic]

I could easily live with this if I am Toronto. CJ McCollum is a very good SG to have if you are rebuilding. He can give you play making, scoring and more importantly a consistent 3 point shot.

I think The Blazers would ask Toronto to take on Evan Turner at a very minimum considering they are taking on Ibaka and DeRozan

[Duffman100]

That's interesting, I'm not a fan of trading for DeRozan because of the shooting issues as we already have ET who has the same issues. How bout CJ and ET for the same deal and I'll add Swanigan

That was my other version of this trade. Was ET but we get a 1st or Swanigan or Collins back.

I'm fine with either to be honest. Not a huge Evan Turner fan, but at least you can dribble the ball.

[dive135]

That's interesting, I'm not a fan of trading for DeRozan because of the shooting issues as we already have ET who has the same issues. How bout CJ and ET for the same deal and I'll add Swanigan

That was my other version of this trade. Was ET but we get a 1st or Swanigan or Collins back.

I'm fine with either to be honest. Not a huge Evan Turner fan, but at least you can dribble the ball.

From the Blazer standpoint if we could swap in Turner and keep Harkless, that would help a lot especially if they had to take on Ibakas contract. I would think the blazers might also need to add at least 1-2 seconds though at least if the raptors took on both Turner and Meyers, though that Ibaka contract edges out Turners I think as the worst contract in the deal.

[Jadoogar]

This is a good value for both sides but doesn't really change the future for either team. Lowry/McCollum backcourt would be similar to portland's current one (more defense but worse on offense) and Demar might actually make the portland back court worse defensively.

[JasonStern]

Prefer the Turner+1st/Swanigan variation, but can easily see why Toronto would rather have Harkless.

[wiseoldelf]

The core trade is great, but I would search for a third team:

Toronto out: DeRozan, Ibaka, '19 1st
Toronto in: CJ, starting PF

Portland out: CJ, Turner, '18 1st/Swanigan
Portland in: DeRozan, Ibaka

Third team out: starting PF
Third team in: Turner, POR '18 1st/Swanigan, TOR '19 1st

Some 2nd could balance the deal either way.

Who could be the starting PF and the third team?

[Resistance]

The core trade is great, but I would search for a third team:

Toronto out: DeRozan, Ibaka, '19 1st
Toronto in: CJ, starting PF

Portland out: CJ, Turner, '18 1st/Swanigan
Portland in: DeRozan, Ibaka

Third team out: starting PF
Third team in: Turner, POR '18 1st/Swanigan, TOR '19 1st

Some 2nd could balance the deal either way.

Who could be the starting PF and the third team?

Third team out: starting PF
Third team in: Turner, POR '18 1st/Swanigan, TOR '19 1st

Evan Turner $17,868,852 + $18,606,557 = $36,475,409

Not quite dead money like the Deng contract ($36.8 million), but the Turner contract does lack appeal.

Portis is the only name that I was able to come up with, but it is light on value for Chicago. Add Asik into the trade and the value gets better for Chicago. Swanigan might not be need to be included if Asik is going out.

[dive135]

The core trade is great, but I would search for a third team:

Toronto out: DeRozan, Ibaka, '19 1st
Toronto in: CJ, starting PF

Portland out: CJ, Turner, '18 1st/Swanigan
Portland in: DeRozan, Ibaka

Third team out: starting PF
Third team in: Turner, POR '18 1st/Swanigan, TOR '19 1st

Some 2nd could balance the deal either way.

Who could be the starting PF and the third team?

I see DD and CJ having similar value, so taking on Ibaka for Turner then adding a first/swaigan seems a bit much especially since this adds about 4m to Portland's salary and they are taking on an even worse contract.

It's also perhaps is a bit light for the raptors since they are getting rid of Ibaka, and not having to take on Turner. Would they be willing to take on Meyers as part of the 3 team trade? This would still drop them about 12m overall, which they could add another better PF.

[wiseoldelf]

Evan Turner $17,868,852 + $18,606,557 = $36,475,409

Not quite dead money like the Deng contract ($36.8 million), but the Turner contract does lack appeal.

Portis is the only name that I was able to come up with, but it is light on value for Chicago. Add Asik into the trade and the value gets better for Chicago. Swanigan might not be need to be included if Asik is going out.

Good idea, Portis+Asik would be a great package for Toronto. Asik is definitely dead money, but his last year is ungaranteed, so they would insist on the Portland 1st rather than Swanigan. Chicago may can get a better package for Portis than two late 1st, but I can imagine they are acepting it.

The line of my thinking was Mike Muscala, Dwight Powell, Marvin Williams, JaMichael Green but couldn't find a workable deal.

But actually the most simple solution is inclouding Aminu, and Toronto dump Turner immediately with a pick.

[wiseoldelf]

I see DD and CJ having similar value, so taking on Ibaka for Turner then adding a first/swaigan seems a bit much especially since this adds about 4m to Portland's salary and they are taking on an even worse contract.

It's also perhaps is a bit light for the raptors since they are getting rid of Ibaka, and not having to take on Turner. Would they be willing to take on Meyers as part of the 3 team trade? This would still drop them about 12m overall, which they could add another better PF.

Thanks for the comment, in the meantime I also realized the salary difference which is problematic for Portland.

I think if Portland see Ibaka as a worse contract than Turner it's a dealbreaker, or at least the trade should be simplified to CJ+salary for DD. Ibaka was a bust against Cleveland, but based on the regular season I think he is a better player, and a much better contract than Turner.


Toronto may take Meyers for a 1st, but in this case the trade would basically work this way:

Toronto out: DeRozan, Ibaka, '19 1st, some 2nd
Toronto in: CJ, Aminu

Portland out: CJ, Turner, Aminu
Portland in: DeRozan, Ibaka, some 2nd

Third team in: Turner, TOR '19 1st (similar to DeMare Carroll to BKN deal)

[jayjaysee]

I don’t think it help either team, but understand both could use a change

I like the Turner+Swan idea more for Portland (obviously) but I’d say Portland should add Meyers and another asset. So Toronto ends up with one of Meyers or Turner and the other +Swan+first to the third team for a PF for Toronto (Or Toronto just takes the two assets and both assets? Or Toronto adds some value on top of Torontos value to get a better player)


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