DET Rebuild/HEAT/Suns

Jody Smokz · Post #1 » by **Jody Smokz** » Sat May 26, 2018 3:48 pm

DET Trade: Drummond, Griffin
DET Get: Whiteside, Tyler Johnson, TJ Warren, Dragan Bender, MIA 1st

HEAT Trade: Whiteside, Tyler Johnson
HEAT Get: Griffin, Chandler

Suns Trade: Chandler, TJ Warren, Bender and MIA 2018 1st
Suns Get: Drummond

This is assuming PHX goes Doncic at 1

Post #2 » by **Texas Chuck** » Sat May 26, 2018 3:50 pm

Please provide reasons why each team should make this trade per board policy.

Thanks

Chuck

Jody Smokz · Post #3 » by **Jody Smokz** » Sat May 26, 2018 4:17 pm

DET to rebuild and clear BG off the books and gain a pick in this year's draft. Suns do this to go after an all star caliber C that fits their timeline and the Heat do this to get rid of Whiteside and see if BG can make them a bit more competitive with the other pieces still on the team.

hcsilla · Post #4 » by **hcsilla** » Sat May 26, 2018 4:24 pm

I highly doubt that the Suns trade this package for Drummond and rightfully so.

Jody Smokz · Post #5 » by **Jody Smokz** » Sat May 26, 2018 4:54 pm

Why is that? Drummond while flawed would be a quality addition. Bender 2 years in seems like he may need a change of scenery and the Suns are looking to be playoff competitive on some level next year.

hcsilla wrote:I highly doubt that the Suns trade this package for Drummond and rightfully so.

Post #6 » by **BBallFreak** » Sat May 26, 2018 5:01 pm

I'd pass for Miami. That's not a gamble I want to take. Too much money and too injury prone.

Diamondman07 · Post #7 » by **Diamondman07** » Sat May 26, 2018 5:14 pm

Heat are the only team that says yes.

Detroit is a hard no, Suns May consider...

jredsaz · Post #8 » by **jredsaz** » Sat May 26, 2018 5:16 pm

Jody Smokz wrote:Why is that? Drummond while flawed would be a quality addition. Bender 2 years in seems like he may need a change of scenery and the Suns are looking to be playoff competitive on some level next year.

hcsilla wrote:I highly doubt that the Suns trade this package for Drummond and rightfully so.

Bender will be on his third coach in three years. I'm excited to see him in a suns uniform.

Laimbeer · Post #9 » by **Laimbeer** » Sat May 26, 2018 5:25 pm

Yeah, pretty hard no from Detroit.

Jody Smokz · Post #10 » by **Jody Smokz** » Sat May 26, 2018 6:21 pm

How so? They get out of BG's toxic deal and kick off a solid rebuild. The team wouldn't be good but could compete for high pick the next season with some a reclamation piece in Bender and a mid 1st, along with Kennard.

Laimbeer wrote:Yeah, pretty hard no from Detroit.

Laimbeer · Post #11 » by **Laimbeer** » Sat May 26, 2018 11:59 pm

Jody Smokz wrote:How so? They get out of BG's toxic deal and kick off a solid rebuild. The team wouldn't be good but could compete for high pick the next season with some a reclamation piece in Bender and a mid 1st, along with Kennard.

Laimbeer wrote:Yeah, pretty hard no from Detroit.

They just traded a first and a couple decent players for Blake, so obviously don't consider the contract toxic. And even at that, they take back Whiteside.

Post #12 » by **Mamba4Goat** » Sun May 27, 2018 7:44 am

Dre has more value than this imo. But I like Griffin to the Heat if Whiteside goes to a third team for something useful for Detroit.

puppa bear · Post #13 » by **puppa bear** » Sun May 27, 2018 12:29 pm

BBallFreak wrote:I'd pass for Miami. That's not a gamble I want to take. Too much money and too injury prone.

For the price we're paying, it's a gamble I'd take & one Riley would as well. Chandler could then be used as trade bait, especially as Bam and KO develop into a 1-2 punch at C.

Honestly, we'd be one more good trade away from being competitive (or getting into, & maybe out of, the second round), and still have the 2019 unprotected 1st to offer up as well.

Post #14 » by **BBallFreak** » Sun May 27, 2018 12:36 pm

puppa bear wrote:
BBallFreak wrote:I'd pass for Miami. That's not a gamble I want to take. Too much money and too injury prone.

For the price we're paying, it's a gamble I'd take & one Riley would as well. Chandler could then be used as trade bait, especially as Bam and KO develop into a 1-2 punch at C.

Honestly, we'd be one more good trade away from being competitive (or getting into, & maybe out of, the second round), and still have the 2019 unprotected 1st to offer up as well.

I guess I'm not as trusting of Blake's abilities as you are. Or rather, his ability to stay healthy.

puppa bear · Post #15 » by **puppa bear** » Sun May 27, 2018 2:53 pm

BBallFreak wrote:
puppa bear wrote:
BBallFreak wrote:I'd pass for Miami. That's not a gamble I want to take. Too much money and too injury prone.

For the price we're paying, it's a gamble I'd take & one Riley would as well. Chandler could then be used as trade bait, especially as Bam and KO develop into a 1-2 punch at C.

Honestly, we'd be one more good trade away from being competitive (or getting into, & maybe out of, the second round), and still have the 2019 unprotected 1st to offer up as well.

I guess I'm not as trusting of Blake's abilities as you are. Or rather, his ability to stay healthy.

Yeah, the health thing is a potential issue. I feel like we have a good conditioning program & staff here, so perhaps we can find a way to help make him more durable.

My preference is to rebuild, but a deal like this, that gets us someone other players may actually want to come to Miami to play with shouldn't be scoffed at. From this we could get a wing upgrade via trade that catapults us into that second round and possibly ECF. Bare minimum it will get us more nationally televised games, and thus greater exposure - making Miami a more attractive destination again.

Post #16 » by **BBallFreak** » Sun May 27, 2018 4:01 pm

puppa bear wrote:
BBallFreak wrote:
puppa bear wrote:For the price we're paying, it's a gamble I'd take & one Riley would as well. Chandler could then be used as trade bait, especially as Bam and KO develop into a 1-2 punch at C.

Honestly, we'd be one more good trade away from being competitive (or getting into, & maybe out of, the second round), and still have the 2019 unprotected 1st to offer up as well.

I guess I'm not as trusting of Blake's abilities as you are. Or rather, his ability to stay healthy.

Yeah, the health thing is a potential issue. I feel like we have a good conditioning program & staff here, so perhaps we can find a way to help make him more durable.

My preference is to rebuild, but a deal like this, that gets us someone other players may actually want to come to Miami to play with shouldn't be scoffed at. From this we could get a wing upgrade via trade that catapults us into that second round and possibly ECF. Bare minimum it will get us more nationally televised games, and thus greater exposure - making Miami a more attractive destination again.

I just don't see Blake Griffin, on that contract, as a positive asset. I see him as a franchise crippling deal.

puppa bear · Post #17 » by **puppa bear** » Sun May 27, 2018 11:58 pm

BBallFreak wrote:
puppa bear wrote:
BBallFreak wrote:I guess I'm not as trusting of Blake's abilities as you are. Or rather, his ability to stay healthy.

Yeah, the health thing is a potential issue. I feel like we have a good conditioning program & staff here, so perhaps we can find a way to help make him more durable.

My preference is to rebuild, but a deal like this, that gets us someone other players may actually want to come to Miami to play with shouldn't be scoffed at. From this we could get a wing upgrade via trade that catapults us into that second round and possibly ECF. Bare minimum it will get us more nationally televised games, and thus greater exposure - making Miami a more attractive destination again.

I just don't see Blake Griffin, on that contract, as a positive asset. I see him as a franchise crippling deal.

Wall could also be seen the same - I think most supermaxes will be franchise crippling deals. Something needs to give for this team though, and this is a direction that Pat would see as viable - so I'm looking at the possible silver linings. It's either that or try to rationalise how selling the farm for DD is a good thing

Hoops23 · Post #18 » by **Hoops23** » Mon May 28, 2018 12:43 am

This Heat fan pass on this trade.
Blake is injury prone and over paid. This is not the kind of gamble Riley will take.

gom · Post #19 » by **gom** » Mon May 28, 2018 5:12 am

This is exactly the type of gamble Riley would make, and I'm scared. ;-)

A_dub06 · Post #20 » by **A_dub06** » Mon May 28, 2018 6:58 am

I’m completely fine with the BG side of the trade but I feel we should get more for Drummond. Drummond looked really good up until we brought in Griffin and I think pairing him with a stretch 4 and decent coach will help unlock the rest of his game.

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