Vlade goes Hinkie with cap space

[blind prophet]

The Kings are rumored to be interested in incentive for salary dumps, per wiretap.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/250600/Kings-Will-Pivot-To-Trades-With-$17M-In-Cap-Space

Trade 1 Estimated Cap after deal 13 million for the Kings

Lakers out: Deng, 2019 unprotected first, 2021 lotto protected first (top 3 in 2022 if not conveyed, unprotected in 2023)
Lakers in: Randolph

Kings out: Randolph
Kings in: Deng, unprotected 2019 first from LA, 2021 lotto protected (top 3 in 2022 if not conveyed, unprotected in 2023)

The Lakers do this to escape an albatross that they can't seem to move without giving up any of their current prospects. Randolph saves them about 6.3 million this season and expires saving them 18 million next season.

The Kings do this to use some of the cap space they have currently to add future picks/options down the road.

Trade 2 Estimated Cap space after trade for the Kings 9 million after stretching Faried

Denver Nuggets out: Trade Faried, 2019 top 10 protected first (top 10, top 10, top 3)
Nuggets in: Sacramento 2020 top 55 protected second

Nuggets do this for immedaite salary relief for a fairly well protected outgoing first.

Kings grab another asset for cap relief, then stretch Faried.

Trade 3 Estimated cap left after 10.5 million

Washington out: Mahinmi, Oubre
Washington in: Kosta Koufos, Temple, WCS, 2019 second more favorable between Minny or Lakers

Kings out: Kosta, Temple, WCS, 2019 second
Kings in: Mahinmi, Oubre

Washington does this deal to escape the Mahinmi contract the year after this season and getting two expirings to do so. Oubre is do a big pay increase after this year as a RFA when teams have lots of cap space potentially. With Porter all ready under long term contract they take a flier on WCS + a second in return.

Kings do this because they have very little as far as SF prospects on the roster, hurts to lose WCS but it balances the prospect roster.

Total haul for the Kings

2019 unprotected first, 2021 lotto protected first (top 3 in 2022 if not conveyed, unprotected in 2023) from Lakers
2019 top 10 protected first from Denver
Oubre

From here stay patient and look to seize even more incentive down the road. With around 10.5 million of cap left.

[Resistance]

The Kings are rumored to be interested in incentive for salary dumps, per wiretap.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/250600/Kings-Will-Pivot-To-Trades-With-$17M-In-Cap-Space

I have a question about Sacramento shifting to a strategy of taking bad salary for compensation.

Is it because they have been getting enough inquiries from teams looking to move salary that made them change their stance?

Or is it they decided internally to change their philosophy?

[LightTheBeam]

Blind im with you on Faried, I could probably even get behind the Wizards trade though I think we need more (2 years of Mahimi cancels out Oubre) but even if I could live with it.

No way in hell am I helping the Lakers free up max space next year for a pick in the 24-30 range. And I for 1 think Lebron is good enough to stay competitive for 3 years.

Ingram/Deng for WCS/Jackson/Koufos would be my offer. I understand if they say no, but i'm not doing any less.

[blind prophet]

The Kings are rumored to be interested in incentive for salary dumps, per wiretap.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/250600/Kings-Will-Pivot-To-Trades-With-$17M-In-Cap-Space

I have a question about Sacramento shifting to a strategy of taking bad salary for compensation.

Is it because they have been getting enough inquiries from teams looking to move salary that made them change their stance?

Or is it they decided internally to change their philosophy?

I imagine they couldn't get what they wanted for what they wanted in FA so far, so may as well try to get assets down the road. We've got quite a few mid paid expiring vets who all are still serviceable albeit over paid.

[blind prophet]

Blind im with you on Faried, I could probably even get behind the Wizards trade though I think we need more (2 years of Mahimi cancels out Oubre) but even if I could live with it.

No way in hell am I helping the Lakers free up max space next year for a pick in the 24-30 range. And I for 1 think Lebron is good enough to stay competitive for 3 years.

Ingram/Deng for WCS/Jackson/Koufos would be my offer. I understand if they say no, but i'm not doing any less.

I agree it seems like too much help for the Lakers, especially with Lebron and the picks being higher in the draft now too. But thing is, there is other competition for cap space.

I think we need to move right now, especially if that savings this year the 6+ million entices the Lakers to spend right now.

I'm looking at this as more of a jigsaw puzzle, a magnet pilfering whatever metal it can from the abyss.

It's the total compensation of everything that matters even if one trade doesn't really seem completely in our favor.

We look to have a decent pick of our own in 2020 after developing and then hopefully after that draft we can compete seriously.

Time to be bold.

[FNQ]

I dont know that it would cost an unprotected 1st and a lotto protected 1st to shed just one year of salary. Seems like a drastic overpay for the Lakers.. now if it was pure capspace instead of ZBo, and it was part of a large Kawhi deal, it makes a lot more sense. But as is, seems like its crushing the Lakers

[NoZoLakers]

ill take op offer for koufus...la doesnt need zbo and salary difference doesnt warrant 2 1st either but for koufus i would give you 2 1st as for that poster offering to take ingram or no dice, sac isnt the only team with cap space so dont go pushing take it or leave it offers, la can stretch deng and have more than enough for a max next yr

[HartfordWhalers]

I agree it seems like too much help for the Lakers

For what its worth, I would be mindful of an echo chamber effect here. ZBo is a bad contract himself. For the money of Deng - Zbo getting one pick with even top 10 protection seems like a solid deal.

Edit: Looks like FNQ already weighed in similarly.

[blind prophet]

ill take op offer for koufus...la doesnt need zbo and salary difference doesnt warrant 2 1st either but for koufus i would give you 2 1st as for that poster offering to take ingram or no dice, sac isnt the only team with cap space so dont go pushing take it or leave it offers, la can stretch deng and have more than enough for a max next yr

I know it's tough, but remember with Lebron those picks should be 20+

You still get around 6.5 million of space immediately.

[HartfordWhalers]

The Kings are rumored to be interested in incentive for salary dumps, per wiretap.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/250600/Kings-Will-Pivot-To-Trades-With-$17M-In-Cap-Space

I have a question about Sacramento shifting to a strategy of taking bad salary for compensation.

Is it because they have been getting enough inquiries from teams looking to move salary that made them change their stance?

Or is it they decided internally to change their philosophy?

Deciding to switch to being there for dumps after teams have used all their cap space and made all their plans seems like a suboptimal time to take on dumps. I'm not sure of when we have seen a good salary dump happen as an afterthought.

In a league where free agents commit within minutes of July 1st starting, picking to be there as a willing trade partner 6 days later feels like a lack of planning as much as being flexible and adjusting on the fly.

[HartfordWhalers]

ill take op offer for koufus...la doesnt need zbo and salary difference doesnt warrant 2 1st either but for koufus i would give you 2 1st as for that poster offering to take ingram or no dice, sac isnt the only team with cap space so dont go pushing take it or leave it offers, la can stretch deng and have more than enough for a max next yr

I know it's tough, but remember with Lebron those picks should be 20+

You still get around 6.5 million of space immediately.

If you are asking for the picks as unprotected... and selling them as picks over 20, something needs to give.

[NoZoLakers]

ill take op offer for koufus...la doesnt need zbo and salary difference doesnt warrant 2 1st either but for koufus i would give you 2 1st as for that poster offering to take ingram or no dice, sac isnt the only team with cap space so dont go pushing take it or leave it offers, la can stretch deng and have more than enough for a max next yr

I know it's tough, but remember with Lebron those picks should be 20+

You still get around 6.5 million of space immediately.

i dont care bout protection on picks but the difference in $ between zbo vs deng doesnt warrant 2 1st, the 2 mods who addressed it are of fair n unbiased opinion n they are fairly correct in that evaulation

[blind prophet]

ill take op offer for koufus...la doesnt need zbo and salary difference doesnt warrant 2 1st either but for koufus i would give you 2 1st as for that poster offering to take ingram or no dice, sac isnt the only team with cap space so dont go pushing take it or leave it offers, la can stretch deng and have more than enough for a max next yr

I know it's tough, but remember with Lebron those picks should be 20+

You still get around 6.5 million of space immediately.

If you are asking for the picks as unprotected... and selling them as picks over 20, something needs to give.

Unprotected in 2019, lotto protected in 2021 with decreasing protections.

[blind prophet]

ill take op offer for koufus...la doesnt need zbo and salary difference doesnt warrant 2 1st either but for koufus i would give you 2 1st as for that poster offering to take ingram or no dice, sac isnt the only team with cap space so dont go pushing take it or leave it offers, la can stretch deng and have more than enough for a max next yr

I know it's tough, but remember with Lebron those picks should be 20+

You still get around 6.5 million of space immediately.

i dont care bout protection on picks but the difference in $ between zbo vs deng doesnt warrant 2 1st, the 2 mods who addressed it are of fair n unbiased opinion n they are fairly correct in that evaulation

I'm gonna stand firm here, the 2021 is lotto protected at first. And although 6.5 million in savings immediately may not seem like much, the 18 million a year later is rather significant.

If you can find a better deal I'd take it. But you get a clean slate with Lebron here ready to rock & roll.

[blind prophet]

Also Zbo can still play, Deng is rather useless.

[NoZoLakers]

I know it's tough, but remember with Lebron those picks should be 20+

You still get around 6.5 million of space immediately.

i dont care bout protection on picks but the difference in $ between zbo vs deng doesnt warrant 2 1st, the 2 mods who addressed it are of fair n unbiased opinion n they are fairly correct in that evaulation

I'm gonna stand firm here, the 2021 is lotto protected at first. And although 6.5 million in savings immediately may not seem like much, the 18 million a year later is rather significant.

If you can find a better deal I'd take it. But you get a clean slate with Lebron here ready to rock & roll.

i see our mgmt going forward with deng till the deadline where even less of deng $ will need to be sent away...id easily offer 2 1st n rights to bonga with deng to atl for dedmon (my pref) if we gona trade fir expiring might as well be for someone useful if we're gona give up 2 1st

[NoZoLakers]

Also Zbo can still play, Deng is rather useless.

he can play for your team, he doesnt fit la offense, we couldve retained a better pf in randle and didnt

[Resistance]

The Kings are rumored to be interested in incentive for salary dumps, per wiretap.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/250600/Kings-Will-Pivot-To-Trades-With-$17M-In-Cap-Space

I have a question about Sacramento shifting to a strategy of taking bad salary for compensation.

Is it because they have been getting enough inquiries from teams looking to move salary that made them change their stance?

Or is it they decided internally to change their philosophy?

Deciding to switch to being there for dumps after teams have used all their cap space and made all their plans seems like a suboptimal time to take on dumps. I'm not sure of when we have seen a good salary dump happen as an afterthought.

In a league where free agents commit within minutes of July 1st starting, picking to be there as a willing trade partner 6 days later feels like a lack of planning as much as being flexible and adjusting on the fly.

I wasn't expecting Vlade to be ahead of the curve on anything, but eventually coming around to making the right decision would have been an improvement from past behavior.

The offer sheet to LaVine has crushed any hope that I had for the Kings to eventually start doing the right thing.

[The Rebel]

I have a question about Sacramento shifting to a strategy of taking bad salary for compensation.

Is it because they have been getting enough inquiries from teams looking to move salary that made them change their stance?

Or is it they decided internally to change their philosophy?

Deciding to switch to being there for dumps after teams have used all their cap space and made all their plans seems like a suboptimal time to take on dumps. I'm not sure of when we have seen a good salary dump happen as an afterthought.

In a league where free agents commit within minutes of July 1st starting, picking to be there as a willing trade partner 6 days later feels like a lack of planning as much as being flexible and adjusting on the fly.

I wasn't expecting Vlade to be ahead of the curve on anything, but eventually coming around to making the right decision would have been an improvement from past behavior.

The offer sheet to LaVine has crushed any hope that I had for the Kings to eventually start doing the right thing.

The less cap space there is the more value it will get. There are teams in the luxury that will pay the price to dump salary at some point between now and the deadline, and the Kings just forced the Bulls to overpay a guy that everybody has known they really wanted to keep.

[Resistance]

Deciding to switch to being there for dumps after teams have used all their cap space and made all their plans seems like a suboptimal time to take on dumps. I'm not sure of when we have seen a good salary dump happen as an afterthought.

In a league where free agents commit within minutes of July 1st starting, picking to be there as a willing trade partner 6 days later feels like a lack of planning as much as being flexible and adjusting on the fly.

I wasn't expecting Vlade to be ahead of the curve on anything, but eventually coming around to making the right decision would have been an improvement from past behavior.

The offer sheet to LaVine has crushed any hope that I had for the Kings to eventually start doing the right thing.

The less cap space there is the more value it will get. There are teams in the luxury that will pay the price to dump salary at some point between now and the deadline, and the Kings just forced the Bulls to overpay a guy that everybody has known they really wanted to keep.

Maybe so, but I am not used to the Kings doing strategic Big Picture things.