Restructuring Suns and Raptors

[hauntedkiwi]

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What's your point? We'd (speaking on behalf of Raps fans here ) rather keep Delon instead of FVV.

Okay but how are the Raptors proving value for dumping them? That's what it is. A salary dump. Dumping Miles and dumping FVV.

It doesn't matter how good or bad the players are for Phoenix. If you don't want them they are bad salary by definition, otherwise you wouldn't want to trade them for expiring contracts. Those are two contracts the Raptors do not want next year. They want to trade them for expiring contracts. This is just like the Milwaukee scenario we just saw play out.

I think if Toronto wants to pay for the salary dump of Miles/Powell or FVV with OG Anunoby, that makes sense.

But if Phoenix is now giving up a late 1st and a second, how are the Raptors paying for the salary dump? Phoenix is now giving assets for the privilege of being a salary dump recipient? That's where I'm lost.

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I dont think you understand how trades work, with all due respect. Just because the Raptors would prefer to part ways with FVV, does not imply he is a salary dump. Like I said before, a 9mil contract expiring next year (with the added points being he was a 6th man award candidate last season and is in his early 20s) isnt really a salary dump in most cases.

If teams only traded the pieces they didn't want to part with, nobody would be trading.

Raps prefer Delon (this is my assumption) over FVV. It's as simple as that.

With all due respect, that's a very condescending thing to say.

Team A doesn't want Player 1. Player 1 has another year left on his contract after this one. They want to get rid of Player 1 for an expiring contract. That is a salary dump. That's a salary dump. If you don't want him on his deal and want to trade him for expirings, that's a salary dump by definition.

Milwaukee would rather keep Brogdon (Delon Wright) than Delladova (FVV). So they trade Delladova (FVV) and attach assets to incentivize Cleveland to take Delladova.

Milwaukee did not get a 1st round pick and a 2nd for Delladova (FVV).

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[Costanza23]

Okay but how are the Raptors proving value for dumping them? That's what it is. A salary dump. Dumping Miles and dumping FVV.

It doesn't matter how good or bad the players are for Phoenix. If you don't want them they are bad salary by definition, otherwise you wouldn't want to trade them for expiring contracts. Those are two contracts the Raptors do not want next year. They want to trade them for expiring contracts. This is just like the Milwaukee scenario we just saw play out.

I think if Toronto wants to pay for the salary dump of Miles/Powell or FVV with OG Anunoby, that makes sense.

But if Phoenix is now giving up a late 1st and a second, how are the Raptors paying for the salary dump? Phoenix is now giving assets for the privilege of being a salary dump recipient? That's where I'm lost.

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I dont think you understand how trades work, with all due respect. Just because the Raptors would prefer to part ways with FVV, does not imply he is a salary dump. Like I said before, a 9mil contract expiring next year (with the added points being he was a 6th man award candidate last season and is in his early 20s) isnt really a salary dump in most cases.

If teams only traded the pieces they didn't want to part with, nobody would be trading.

Raps prefer Delon (this is my assumption) over FVV. It's as simple as that.

With all due respect, that's a very condescending thing to say.

Team A doesn't want Player 1. Player 1 has another year left on his contract after this one. They want to get rid of Player 1 for an expiring contract. That is a salary dump. That's a salary dump. If you don't want him on his deal and want to trade him for expirings, that's a salary dump by definition.

Milwaukee would rather keep Brogdon (Delon Wright) than Delladova (FVV). So they trade Delladova (FVV) and attach assets to incentivize Cleveland to take Delladova.

Milwaukee did not get a 1st round pick and a 2nd for Delladova (FVV).

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Way to simplify things though. You're making the assumption that Delladova=FVV, that Brogdon=Wright and that all teams have the same wants/needs and urgency to make a move.

That's not realistic at all, sorry.

[L Sellers]

Okay but how are the Raptors proving value for dumping them? That's what it is. A salary dump. Dumping Miles and dumping FVV.

It doesn't matter how good or bad the players are for Phoenix. If you don't want them they are bad salary by definition, otherwise you wouldn't want to trade them for expiring contracts. Those are two contracts the Raptors do not want next year. They want to trade them for expiring contracts. This is just like the Milwaukee scenario we just saw play out.

I think if Toronto wants to pay for the salary dump of Miles/Powell or FVV with OG Anunoby, that makes sense.

But if Phoenix is now giving up a late 1st and a second, how are the Raptors paying for the salary dump? Phoenix is now giving assets for the privilege of being a salary dump recipient? That's where I'm lost.

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I dont think you understand how trades work, with all due respect. Just because the Raptors would prefer to part ways with FVV, does not imply he is a salary dump. Like I said before, a 9mil contract expiring next year (with the added points being he was a 6th man award candidate last season and is in his early 20s) isnt really a salary dump in most cases.

If teams only traded the pieces they didn't want to part with, nobody would be trading.

Raps prefer Delon (this is my assumption) over FVV. It's as simple as that.

With all due respect, that's a very condescending thing to say.

Team A doesn't want Player 1. Player 1 has another year left on his contract after this one. They want to get rid of Player 1 for an expiring contract. That is a salary dump. That's a salary dump. If you don't want him on his deal and want to trade him for expirings, that's a salary dump by definition.

Milwaukee would rather keep Brogdon (Delon Wright) than Delladova (FVV). So they trade Delladova (FVV) and attach assets to incentivize Cleveland to take Delladova.

Milwaukee did not get a 1st round pick and a 2nd for Delladova (FVV).

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All salary dumps are not the same. Miles isn't awful and it's only $9M next year. Attach Delon Wright with his rfa rights, and there would be huge demand.

Anunoby with his skill set is a perfect versatile 4. Offer him with Powell, who at least can hit 3s, and again, plenty of teams would offer up an expiring, hawks, magic, spurs, blazers should have interest. Nuggets would be all over anunoby.

You've got to give a team a reason to make a move. Tell the raptors we will take miles, Powell, Wright and OG off your hands for nothing in return but cap relief, and see how long the conversation lasts.

[dremill24]

I don’t think the Raps are in the position to makes deals like this. Deals where you move major rotation pieces and the most beneficial parts are money savings and draft picks just don’t make a ton of sense when you’re going for a title. I’m sure they wouldn’t mind getting off the contracts of Powell and/or Miles, but not at the cost of someone like Anunoby.

The overall value in a vacuum is probly semi-close I suppose, but with context I think it falls apart.

[hauntedkiwi]

I dont think you understand how trades work, with all due respect. Just because the Raptors would prefer to part ways with FVV, does not imply he is a salary dump. Like I said before, a 9mil contract expiring next year (with the added points being he was a 6th man award candidate last season and is in his early 20s) isnt really a salary dump in most cases.

If teams only traded the pieces they didn't want to part with, nobody would be trading.

Raps prefer Delon (this is my assumption) over FVV. It's as simple as that.

With all due respect, that's a very condescending thing to say.

Team A doesn't want Player 1. Player 1 has another year left on his contract after this one. They want to get rid of Player 1 for an expiring contract. That is a salary dump. That's a salary dump. If you don't want him on his deal and want to trade him for expirings, that's a salary dump by definition.

Milwaukee would rather keep Brogdon (Delon Wright) than Delladova (FVV). So they trade Delladova (FVV) and attach assets to incentivize Cleveland to take Delladova.

Milwaukee did not get a 1st round pick and a 2nd for Delladova (FVV).

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All salary dumps are not the same. Miles isn't awful and it's only $9M next year. Attach Delon Wright with his rfa rights, and there would be huge demand.

Anunoby with his skill set is a perfect versatile 4. Offer him with Powell, who at least can hit 3s, and again, plenty of teams would offer up an expiring, hawks, magic, spurs, blazers should have interest. Nuggets would be all over anunoby.

You've got to give a team a reason to make a move. Tell the raptors we will take miles, Powell, Wright and OG off your hands for nothing in return but cap relief, and see how long the conversation lasts.

I agree the Anunoby is worth taking on bad salary. If it were OG for taking on Miles/Powell that makes sense.

In a vacuum, say Toronto would have to spend a 1st to move off of those contracts. Instead they attach Anunoby which is absolutely valid. But now they're getting a first?

It just kind of just clutters up the deal. Is Anunoby worth two first round picks (one from Phoenix and the one that he replaces as the salary dump incentive)? Likely not.

Miles is a 3P specialist who can't play defense and now can't shoot threes. Less then 28% on the year. He definitely qualifies as awful. Powell would be less awful if his deal weren't so long.

I like the deal for OG without any picks involved, but the justification for why he should be worth a first round pick in addition to having to take two negative contracts seems muddled to me. Now there are too many pieces, and the short term and long term goals for the teams are already far apart (Phoenix is dead last, Toronto is 1st) as it is. Which is often fine, as we saw with Milwaukee/Cleveland.

If Toronto is now trading rotation players like OG on his rookie deal, from what you're saying obviously value him higher than a tanking team like Phoenix does.

It is just cleaner if the Raptors use a 2021 first, as future picks are hold less immediate value than OG from what is sounds like.

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