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T&T board top 10 worst contracts - Vote for #7!
Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2018 2:42 am
by Dr Positivity
1. Nicolas Batum (2 year, 49.6 million + 27.1 million 3rd year player option)2. Chandler Parsons (2 years, 49.2 million)3. Andrew Wiggins (5 years, 147.7 million)4. John Wall (1 year, 19.2 million + 3 years, 123.7 million extension starting next year, 47.3 million 4th year player option)5. Chris Paul (3 years, 115.5 million + 44.2 million 4th year player option)6. Gorgui Dieng (3 years, 48.7 million)Please vote for the #7 worst contract in the NBA and nominate a new player to replace them - according to who has the
least trade value including production, age, healthy etc., not just who is "least deserving".
Nominees:
Dion Waiters (3 years, 36.4 million)
TImofey Mozgov (2 years, 32.7 million)
Ryan Anderson (1 year 20.4 million + 21.2 million 2nd year, 15.6 million guaranteed)
Ian Mahinmi (2 years, 31.3 million)
Brandon Knight (2 years, 30.2 million)
Bismack Biyombo (1 year, 17 million + 17 million 2nd year player option)
Evan Turner (2 years, 36.5 million)
James Johnson (3 years, 46 million)
Gordon Hayward (2 years, 63.9 million + 34.2 million 3rd year player option)
Kevin Love (5 years, 144.5 million)
Re: T&T board top 10 worst contracts - Vote for #7!
Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2018 2:44 am
by Dr Positivity
Vote James Johnson. With his terrible numbers this year (9.5 PER, .025 WS/48, -3.8 BPM, 38.8% FG, .466 TS%) and turning 32 in 2 months the downside of being totally useless the next 2 years at 15 mil+ is scary
Nominate Norman Powell
Re: T&T board top 10 worst contracts - Vote for #7!
Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2018 2:45 am
by bondom34
First off, thanks again for doing this man.
V Mahinmi
N Powell
Mahinmi's basically unplayable and the only other guys I thought about were Waiters and JJ. Waiters is less $ for more years and easier to move, and JJ's at least playable and getting back.
Re: T&T board top 10 worst contracts - Vote for #7!
Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2018 3:37 am
by puppa bear
Biz
Powell
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Re: T&T board top 10 worst contracts - Vote for #7!
Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2018 3:45 am
by RoundMoundOfRebound
Vote James Johnson
Nominate Felicio
Re: T&T board top 10 worst contracts - Vote for #7!
Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2018 3:53 am
by Mr Swagtastic
Vote : Kevin Love (contract is only going to get worse)
Nominate : Felicio $8 million for the next two years to give you 3/3 is terrible didn't know he was THIS BAD
Re: T&T board top 10 worst contracts - Vote for #7!
Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2018 3:59 am
by Domejandro
Re: T&T board top 10 worst contracts - Vote for #7!
Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2018 4:02 am
by Dr Positivity
Felicio's contact obviously isn't ideal, but I tend to think anything under a certain amount per year is more of a minor annoyance than an anchor. A late 1st could probably dump his contract. Then again the real unmovable guys are nominated already
Re: T&T board top 10 worst contracts - Vote for #7!
Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2018 4:04 am
by babyjax13
Kevin Love
Norman Powell
Re: T&T board top 10 worst contracts - Vote for #7!
Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2018 4:35 am
by alessandrux
Dion Waiters (very tough between him and Johnson, but I kind of expect Johnson being able to be a bit more of help in the immediate future)
Norman Powell
Edit: For anyone that has taken Mahinmi instead of Mozgov (who is more expensive) or Anderson (whose guaranteed money is more expensive than both): why?
Re: T&T board top 10 worst contracts - Vote for #7!
Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2018 5:02 am
by Soulyss
Vote: Love
Nominate: Allen Crabbe
Re: T&T board top 10 worst contracts - Vote for #7!
Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2018 5:35 am
by WICKED17
Anderson
Powell
Hmm, no Ryan Anderson votes yet. I think we`re over looking just how bad his contract really is. He`s easily far far worse then any of the 2yr deals on the board, and yes worse then any 3 yr, deal as well which is really saying something.
Imagine paying 2/ 42.5 M or in essence 1/36 M but still with a 15.6 or 3yr. 5.2 if stretched cap hit next yr for a player you waived. For a one trick pony who isn`t performing even at that task. He of a 4.7 per, unplayable defensively, who rebounds like a guard.
So again 2yrs. 42.5M or 1yr 36M of very little to no production, along with however you choose to deal with the 15.6 guaranteed next yr
Re: T&T board top 10 worst contracts - Vote for #7!
Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2018 6:43 am
by Tim Lehrbach
Vote: Anderson (most total money owed to somebody who is unplayable on a competitive team)
Nomination: I still can't believe the Nets had a year to be grateful Portland matched on Allen Crabbe, then traded for him anyway.
Re: T&T board top 10 worst contracts - Vote for #7!
Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2018 7:02 am
by Ralnor
V: Love
N: Powell
Re: T&T board top 10 worst contracts - Vote for #7!
Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2018 7:26 am
by gom
V: Love
N: Tyler Johnson
I like TJ but $19.2M for a combo guard who usually comes off the bench is a bit much. Expires 6/2020.
Re: T&T board top 10 worst contracts - Vote for #7!
Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2018 11:04 am
by Topofthekey
Tough call between Ryan Anderson, Evan Turner, Ian Mahimi, and Brandon Knight
But I'll vote Ryan Anderson - completely unplayable and untradable, owed the most money of the bunch
Re: T&T board top 10 worst contracts - Vote for #7!
Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2018 1:23 pm
by Dr Positivity
Assuming he gets waived at 15.6 Anderson will cost less than equally useless Mozgov even if he's on a roster. So I would pick Mozgov as worse deal
Re: T&T board top 10 worst contracts - Vote for #7!
Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2018 1:55 pm
by orlando_joe
love
powell
Re: T&T board top 10 worst contracts - Vote for #7!
Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2018 4:29 pm
by gom
Dr Positivity wrote:Vote James Johnson. With his terrible numbers this year (9.5 PER, .025 WS/48, -3.8 BPM, 38.8% FG, .466 TS%) and turning 32 in 2 months the downside of being totally useless the next 2 years at 15 mil+ is scary
Nominate Norman Powell
I don't like JJ's deal either but you have 328 minutes of data, which is not statistically convincing of, well, anything. Now his PER is 10.6 for example. In a couple games, it might be 12 or 13 or it might be 8. There's just not much data. My guess is he'll finish the season at about 15 PER, 109/105 ORTG/DRTG, and play 25 minutes per game. Even so, it's a piss poor deal because there is a player option three years from now.
Re: T&T board top 10 worst contracts - Vote for #7!
Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2018 5:08 pm
by Dr Positivity
gom wrote:Dr Positivity wrote:Vote James Johnson. With his terrible numbers this year (9.5 PER, .025 WS/48, -3.8 BPM, 38.8% FG, .466 TS%) and turning 32 in 2 months the downside of being totally useless the next 2 years at 15 mil+ is scary
Nominate Norman Powell
I don't like JJ's deal either but you have 328 minutes of data, which is not statistically convincing of, well, anything. Now his PER is 10.6 for example. In a couple games, it might be 12 or 13 or it might be 8. There's just not much data. My guess is he'll finish the season at about 15 PER, 109/105 ORTG/DRTG, and play 25 minutes per game. Even so, it's a piss poor deal because there is a player option three years from now.
You make some fair points, but it makes perfect sense that this is the age where a player with JJ's mediocre skill level was going to lose it. And even with the decent version of JJ, committing to an extra year of 15 mil+ for an aging role player seems unideal to most teams to me compared to just swallowing crap like Mozgov and having it expire next season or having the option to stretch him at a reasonable price. I may have been underestimating the chance of JJ becoming good again sometime this season, but there's also a fair chance his 16 Gs is who he is now, the truth is probably somewhere in the middle when rating his value