Please MJ, let us rebuild - Kemba Trades (Dallas and Lakers)

[Diop]

I won't hold my breath that this will happen. MJ won't want to admit defeat with this crappy team, but if we do.

Kemba, Batum for Barnes, Smith Jr, and 1 mill throw in contract.

Dallas go for the playoffs this year, Kemba plays best next to a play making forward (hence why we got Batum in the first place) and I think trading for him would definitely increase their chance of keeping him.

Charlotte gives Smith Jr the reigns to play alongside Monk, Bridges and Graham.
If Batum is just to hard to swallow then Kemba for Smith Jr and Powell.

Lakers are going to constantly have pressure to win and Kemba could play the Irving roll well next to Lebron.
I don't want to do the obvious Ball offers, Lakers want to keep him and he is big enough to play alongside Kemba who excels as a scoring guard.

Kemba for Ingram and Hart.

Charlotte see what they can do with Graham, Monk, Hart, Bridges and Ingram. Would like to grab Zubac as well if we could.

Kemba, Rondo
Ball, Caldwell-Pope
Lebron, Lance
Kuzma, Beasley
Chandler/Mcgee

Dallas and Lakers fans, how much do you hate these trades for our "over rated, expiring all-star point guard?

[HartfordWhalers]

I won't hold my breath that this will happen. MJ won't want to admit defeat with this crappy team, but if we do.

Kemba, Batum for Barnes, Smith Jr, and 1 mill throw in contract.

Dallas go for the playoffs this year, Kemba plays best next to a play making forward (hence why we got Batum in the first place) and I think trading for him would definitely increase their chance of keeping him.

Charlotte gives Smith Jr the reigns to play alongside Monk, Bridges and Graham.
If Batum is just to hard to swallow then Kemba for Smith Jr and Powell.

Lakers are going to constantly have pressure to win and Kemba could play the Irving roll well next to Lebron.
I don't want to do the obvious Ball offers, Lakers want to keep him and he is big enough to play alongside Kemba who excels as a scoring guard.

Kemba for Ingram and Hart.

Charlotte see what they can do with Graham, Monk, Hart, Bridges and Ingram. Would like to grab Zubac as well if we could.

Kemba, Rondo
Ball, Caldwell-Pope
Lebron, Lance
Kuzma, Beasley
Chandler/Mcgee

Dallas and Lakers fans, how much do you hate these trades for our "over rated, expiring all-star point guard?

I would put Philly in the mix. They didn't do the smart thing and sit with Covington (and Saric) and instead rushed in for Butler. So doubling down on their strategy might make sense, in some way.

They have Zhaire (hasn't played due to freak injury and freak allergic reaction but was well rated coming into the draft), all their 1sts, and the Miami unprotected 1st before we even get into the dynamics of Fultz.

[Texas Chuck]

I don't see the first version working for Dallas. If Walker walks which would be likely Dallas has given up DSJ for the right to pay Batum huge money for years. And if he stays, there went almost all their cap space this summer. And Walker, Luka, and scraps just isn't enough.

Now Kemba for DSJ and Powell I would definitely do and see if we could use the rest of the year to convince him to stay. The gamble is worth it at that price imo. I think the Hornets could probably get a better deal than that elsewhere tho if I'm honest. The Lakers deal you posted for instance is better and I think the Lakers would have to jump on that.

I love the idea of Kemba in Dallas tho.

[jayjaysee]

I love Kemba. But as a Dallas fan, I’m not interested in paying Batum and losing DSj for him. And losing Barnes, actually.

Personally, I don’t want to rush and I don’t mind sending Atlanta the 9th pick in the draft.. But I’d take on a bad two year contract in a DSj+Wes for Kemba deal though. I imagine most Dallas fans would hate that and most Charlotte fans will think it’s insulting. I’d want incentive added for Zeller or Batum, and Charlotte wouldn’t feel a need to add incentive while trading Kemba - so we talk Marvin.

[OrlandoDream]

Kemba and Luka will not fit together. DAL is listening to offers for DSJr because they dont want another ball dominant PG next to Luka. Kemba is just that. Kemba would be a better fit in Philly. Heck, he would draw immediate interest from Orlando. However unless he commits to resign where he is traded, not many teams are going to pay kings ransom for 4 months of Kemba. Better just wait until the offseason.

This is all moot though. MJ will not trade Kemba and wants to resign him at all cost. He wont admit defeat.....its MJ

[jbk1234]

Attaching Kemba to Batum is counterproductive. First, I'm not sure you'll find a team willing to give you expiring contracts at this point. Second, you're diluting Kemba's value in order to get out of a contract when you'll be just entering a rebuild. If you can't work out a buyout, just cut Batum and operate with a little less cap space for a couple of years.

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[Diop]

Attaching Kemba to Batum is counterproductive. First, I'm not sure you'll find a team willing to give you expiring contracts at this point. Second, you're diluting Kemba's value in order to get out of a contract when you'll be just entering a rebuild. If you can't work out a buyout, just cut Batum and operate with a little less cap space for a couple of years.

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hence why I didn't insist on including Batum, but if they deal Kemba they will definitely try and include Batum. Without a doubt, so it's worth discussing.

[alessandrux]

Now Kemba for DSJ and Powell I would definitely do and see if we could use the rest of the year to convince him to stay. The gamble is worth it at that price imo. I think the Hornets could probably get a better deal than that elsewhere tho if I'm honest. The Lakers deal you posted for instance is better and I think the Lakers would have to jump on that.

If DSJ+Powell for Walker were on the table, Charlotte should definitely take that.
I also don't think there are any (realistic) offers that would beat that.

If I were in Dallas position, I would rather wait for the (potentially) inevitable Davis trade and would try to trade for Jrue Holiday.

[Diop]

I disagree that Kemba won't fit with Luka, Charlotte literally traded for Batum as they wanted another ball handler next to him. Before that Charlotte had McRoberts initiating offence from the power forward position. Just use him as a scoring/finishing guard.

He has the ball in his hands so much in Charlotte as they have nothing else.

[Diop]

trading for Lakers pieces is my favourite option for Charlotte.

[jayjaysee]

Now Kemba for DSJ and Powell I would definitely do and see if we could use the rest of the year to convince him to stay. The gamble is worth it at that price imo. I think the Hornets could probably get a better deal than that elsewhere tho if I'm honest. The Lakers deal you posted for instance is better and I think the Lakers would have to jump on that.

If DSJ+Powell for Walker were on the table, Charlotte should definitely take that.
I also don't think there are any (realistic) offers that would beat that.

If I were in Dallas position, I would rather wait for the (potentially) inevitable Davis trade and would try to trade for Jrue Holiday.

Kemba’s 18 million dollar cap hold let’s us Dallas fans seallow the lie of signing a max free agent before resigning him. Kemba/LD/Butler.. Get Barnes to opt out for a long term deal that gives us some more room sign 10-14ish mil for a center, then resign DFS, Maxi, and Salahahh and give Barea the room ex.

It’s not that pretty or realistic, but that’s the pitch.

[pelifan]

Kemba packaged with Batum probably doesn't return expirings at least in a 2 team deal. It just doesn't make any sense financially for a team to give Kemba a 200% pay increase and add 25 mil a year of Batum to their payroll. Really the best option for trading Kemba for value would be to get him to a desperate Western conference team that thinks they can get him to stay and won't be able to sign him otherwise because of market or whatever. Jazz, Wolves, Pelicans come to mind.

Pelicans offer would probably be Randle, Hill, 2 mostly unprotected firsts for Kemba and MKG

[jayjaysee]

Pelicans offer would probably be Randle, Hill, 2 mostly unprotected firsts for Kemba and MKG

I like this. But Randle needs to go to a third team that could/would resign him and is willing to give up an asset for him. As is, Char is not getting a good enough deal as they won’t be able to resign Randle and probably don’t care to.. And add Jackson and a 2nd..

[pelifan]

Pelicans offer would probably be Randle, Hill, 2 mostly unprotected firsts for Kemba and MKG

I like this. But Randle needs to go to a third team that could/would resign him and is willing to give up an asset for him. As is, Char is not getting a good enough deal as they won’t be able to resign Randle and probably don’t care to.. And add Jackson and a 2nd..

Sure that wouldn't be a hold up in any deal, but I think there is something to be said for the optics of adding a player like Randle to the casual fan. I think even if Charlotte can't or won't bring him back he'd have more value just by keeping the team watchable than he would get from a third team because of the no bird rights issue.

[Texas Chuck]

If I were in Dallas position, I would rather wait for the (potentially) inevitable Davis trade and would try to trade for Jrue Holiday.

I'm generally not a big fan of waiting, but yeah Jrue would be perfect for Dallas and I certainly hope that if AD gets moved that Dallas has already been laying the ground work for a Jrue deal.

[daoneandonly]

Batum kills this for the Mavs. There's a reason he was voted #1 least tradable contract. Char getting dSJ in the process just doesnt cut it

[R-DAWG]

As others have said, attaching Batum to Kemba is counterproductive. One of the best parts of trading for Kemba Walker is his low cap hold which adds flexibility. The Lakers, for example, could trade Lonzo for Walker and still have a max slot available.

One team that could take on the Batum contract is Miami. They could send Tyler Johnson (1 year left) to Charlotte and then in a 3 way trade send Dragic for value which would be flipped to Charlotte.

[pelifan]

Maybe 3 team it?

Dallas in: Jrue, Batum, well protected NO first
Dallas out: DSJ, Barnes, Mathews

NO in: Kemba, Lamb, Mathews
NO out: Jrue, Hill, Highly protected first

CHA in: DSJ, Barnes, Hill
CHA out: Kemba, Lamb, Batum

Gotta admit I feel uncomfortable giving Jrue and a first to Dallas, but maybe the Pelicans need a reshuffle.

[Texas Chuck]

Maybe 3 team it?

Dallas in: Jrue, Batum, well protected NO first
Dallas out: DSJ, Barnes, Mathews

NO in: Kemba, Lamb, Mathews
NO out: Jrue, Hill, Highly protected first

CHA in: DSJ, Barnes, Hill
CHA out: Kemba, Lamb, Batum

Gotta admit I feel uncomfortable giving Jrue and a first to Dallas, but maybe the Pelicans need a reshuffle.

Same issue for Dallas. Batum's contract caps the ceiling. If AD and Jrue are barely a playoff team, Luka and Jrue aren't one.

I understand Dallas doesn't have the assets to get Kemba or Jrue without taking on the bad money, but taking on the bad money makes the deals unattractive. This is the consequence of the Mavs getting on that treadmill of mediocrity after blowing up the title team. We don't have the assets we should have to make deals around Luka.

[pelifan]

Maybe 3 team it?

Dallas in: Jrue, Batum, well protected NO first
Dallas out: DSJ, Barnes, Mathews

NO in: Kemba, Lamb, Mathews
NO out: Jrue, Hill, Highly protected first

CHA in: DSJ, Barnes, Hill
CHA out: Kemba, Lamb, Batum

Gotta admit I feel uncomfortable giving Jrue and a first to Dallas, but maybe the Pelicans need a reshuffle.

Same issue for Dallas. Batum's contract caps the ceiling. If AD and Jrue are barely a playoff team, Luka and Jrue aren't one.

I understand Dallas doesn't have the assets to get Kemba or Jrue without taking on the bad money, but taking on the bad money makes the deals unattractive. This is the consequence of the Mavs getting on that treadmill of mediocrity after blowing up the title team. We don't have the assets we should have to make deals around Luka.

Well that's what the first was supposed to be for. Jrue makes less money than Kemba will on his next contract, and it runs the same years as Batum. At what number does paying Jrue and Batum combined start to become negative? I'd say Jrue makes about 10 million less than the point where I'd even start to feel uncomfortable with his contract. For me that Dallas package is positive but close to neutral value.