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Re: I Know What They Should Do This Summer 2019: Dallas Mavericks 

Post#21 » by Cklbmk » Tue Jun 11, 2019 7:05 pm

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Texas Chuck wrote:So here's how I see it:

Try and trade Lee and #39 at the draft for a slightly more useful player making slightly less money and the way to make that work I think is to take back a 2 year deal. I didn't find a version I liked so we are going to move the Lee deal until after FA money is spent.


Sir,

Can I interest you in Patty Mills


I mean I don't hate the player. He's kinda a tougher fit just due to his size. Could I really find enough minutes for he, Brunson, and Barea--especially when Luka is going to the primary PG?

So I like the shooting and the experience. Just wish he offered more flexibility.


Only other person matching the criteria seems to be McDermott
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Re: I Know What They Should Do This Summer 2019: Dallas Mavericks 

Post#22 » by Texas Chuck » Tue Jun 11, 2019 7:12 pm

Cklbmk wrote:Only other person matching the criteria seems to be McDermott


Yeah I'd love McDerrmott. Shoots, makes quite a bit less. But I don't see why Indy bites on Lee/#39.
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Re: I Know What They Should Do This Summer 2019: Dallas Mavericks 

Post#23 » by Papi_swav » Wed Jun 12, 2019 2:52 am

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Papi_swav wrote:I believe KP said he will accept the QO, I'm not sure how true that is or if he changed his mind but if he does, the time to get a max star is now.



I think the taking the QO was a threat mainly to the Knicks. I suppose he could hate having been traded to Dallas and would be willing to play it out, but considering his injury history and that he really hasn't made big money yet, I'd be stunned if he played for that versus a 5 year max gtd money. Huge risk.

and Dallas could get to a max slot even with his cap hold if a real max player agreed to come here. They would have to move some money but that's readily doable.

Now Dallas did offer big money to another big man a couple years ago who turned it down and played for the QO. Worked out amazingly well for Dallas and worked out terribly for the guy who played on the QO who for the rest of his career likely won't see half the money he turned down from Dallas.

It would be a near disaster if he played for the QO considering the heavy price to acquire him, but it feels almost impossible that he will do so.

I'm not sure but I remember when Dallas trading for him it was an article saying KP told Dolan he plans on taking the QO. Things do change but that is what I'm basing it on
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Re: I Know What They Should Do This Summer 2019: Dallas Mavericks 

Post#24 » by daoneandonly » Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:50 am

Texas Chuck wrote:So here's how I see it:

Try and trade Lee and #39 at the draft for a slightly more useful player making slightly less money and the way to make that work I think is to take back a 2 year deal. I didn't find a version I liked so we are going to move the Lee deal until after FA money is spent.

Draft BPA at 39. My idea is to draft an upperclassman with perhaps a lower ceiling but more likely to be able to contribute sooner.

Free Agency, Sign KP to a long-term deal, I'll assume he gets a max. Use the low cap holds of Kleber and DFS to bring them back after spending the other money assuming they are willing--maybe they can pry a little extra money out of Dallas in exchange. Powell gets his extension.

Strike out on the big FA's. Have a call into the Clippers ready to be the landing spot for Gallo if they hit on two guys. Failing that, look to hand out 1 or 2 year deals to role players that fit. We've seen some of the names that make sense. Let's call it Beverley and Millsap and just to put a couple names on it, but it could be others. Bring back Barea.

My trade is Lee/Jackson for Fournier. Magic gain some long-term flexibility and get a look at Jackson for a couple years. Dallas slides Fournier in between Luka and Beverly in the starting lineup.

Rotation is something like this:

KP/Powell
Millsap/Kleber
Doncic/DFS
Fournier/Brunson
Beverley/Barea

Not great unless KP and Doncic become legit stars over the next 2 years, but it should be reasonably competitive and you hope in 2021 Luka and KP will be able to draw a 3rd star.


I'm devastated Chuck, I thought you were one of the only ones on my side here. Et tu? :)
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Post#25 » by daoneandonly » Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:58 am

Priority number 1 is to sign KP to a LT deal, anything short is disastrous given what they gave up, and took on to get him.

With Luka/KP in tow, hopefully, the plan needs to be to build around them. Obviously strong defensive players are key, a bruiser/rebounder type to plug alongside KP should also be a target. We don't need the toxic attitudes of a Jimmy Butler (given KP doesnt seem to be Mr Sunshine himself already), or a defensive turnstile, lack of success Kemba. Signing guys like that will do way more harm than good.

Malcolm brogden is a great fit, but him being a RFA and having some injury concerns himself makes that hard. Ideally the 2G next to Luka will be a defensive specialist who can also share the ball handling duties, those guys are few and far between, but in terms of filling Dallas' biggest needs, these are the guys that should somehow be targeted whether its trade of FA

Guards (good fits with Luka):
J-Rich
Malcolm Brogden
Marcus Smart
Jrue Holiday

Big Men (good fits with KP)
Thad Young
Tristan Thompson
Derrick Favors

Most of those guys are impossible to get given our lack of assets, but those are the type of players needed here.

Dallas needs to make a decision on Powell or Kleber too. if Powell is getting the ridiculous deal that was rumored, you cant bring back Kleber on a significant raise, even though most would prefer him to Dwight. Paying 4 big men (assuming they sign or trade for an upgrade, which they should), big money in today's market and landscape just doesnt make sense.
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Re: I Know What They Should Do This Summer 2019: Dallas Mavericks 

Post#26 » by Texas Chuck » Wed Jun 12, 2019 12:59 pm

daoneandonly wrote:I'm devastated Chuck, I thought you were one of the only ones on my side here. Et tu? :)


:lol:

sorry mate. I was trying to think of what was somewhat realistic here. I'm not sold on any of those specific names so if there are other guys of that ilk you like better, it doesn't really change my thinking on what will happen.

I expect them to go hard for a K free agent. I think they will fail and then it will be a 2 year stop gap with the pipedream of Giannis on the other side.
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Re: I Know What They Should Do This Summer 2019: Dallas Mavericks 

Post#27 » by daoneandonly » Wed Jun 12, 2019 1:02 pm

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daoneandonly wrote:I'm devastated Chuck, I thought you were one of the only ones on my side here. Et tu? :)


:lol:

sorry mate. I was trying to think of what was somewhat realistic here. I'm not sold on any of those specific names so if there are other guys of that ilk you like better, it doesn't really change my thinking on what will happen.

I expect them to go hard for a K free agent. I think they will fail and then it will be a 2 year stop gap with the pipedream of Giannis on the other side.


Oh I agree the ones I posted will never happen, wishful thinking. But i'd be very disappointed if we got Fournier, and still kept THJ in the process. I just cant see a path to success paying both those guys they money they are earning.
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Re: I Know What They Should Do This Summer 2019: Dallas Mavericks 

Post#28 » by Texas Chuck » Wed Jun 12, 2019 1:05 pm

daoneandonly wrote:Oh I agree the ones I posted will never happen, wishful thinking. But i'd be very disappointed if we got Fournier, and still kept THJ in the process. I just cant see a path to success paying both those guys they money they are earning.



Small confession: I totally blocked THJ out of my mind when doing this exercise--you will note he doesn't even appear in my 10 deep.
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Post#29 » by daoneandonly » Wed Jun 12, 2019 1:27 pm

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daoneandonly wrote:Oh I agree the ones I posted will never happen, wishful thinking. But i'd be very disappointed if we got Fournier, and still kept THJ in the process. I just cant see a path to success paying both those guys they money they are earning.



Small confession: I totally blocked THJ out of my mind when doing this exercise--you will note he doesn't even appear in my 10 deep.


Can't blame a guy for blocking THJ out
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Post#30 » by psimanic1 » Wed Jun 12, 2019 1:31 pm

Is there some other Millsap that plays PF and is not under contract with Denver? Or I'm missing something here? Everyone is adding Millsap to Dallas, and only way I see us not picking up his team option is if he is taking longer one for smaller amount..
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Post#31 » by Revenged25 » Wed Jun 12, 2019 1:42 pm

daoneandonly wrote:Priority number 1 is to sign KP to a LT deal, anything short is disastrous given what they gave up, and took on to get him.

With Luka/KP in tow, hopefully, the plan needs to be to build around them. Obviously strong defensive players are key, a bruiser/rebounder type to plug alongside KP should also be a target. We don't need the toxic attitudes of a Jimmy Butler (given KP doesnt seem to be Mr Sunshine himself already), or a defensive turnstile, lack of success Kemba. Signing guys like that will do way more harm than good.

Malcolm brogden is a great fit, but him being a RFA and having some injury concerns himself makes that hard. Ideally the 2G next to Luka will be a defensive specialist who can also share the ball handling duties, those guys are few and far between, but in terms of filling Dallas' biggest needs, these are the guys that should somehow be targeted whether its trade of FA

Guards (good fits with Luka):
J-Rich
Malcolm Brogden
Marcus Smart
Jrue Holiday

Big Men (good fits with KP)
Thad Young
Tristan Thompson
Derrick Favors

Most of those guys are impossible to get given our lack of assets, but those are the type of players needed here.

Dallas needs to make a decision on Powell or Kleber too. if Powell is getting the ridiculous deal that was rumored, you cant bring back Kleber on a significant raise, even though most would prefer him to Dwight. Paying 4 big men (assuming they sign or trade for an upgrade, which they should), big money in today's market and landscape just doesnt make sense.


Depending on how the JR Contract situation plays out, TT could be available. I liked the idea of pairing THJ back up with Beilein and seeing if Beilein could get THJ playing at the level that made him a 1st round pick again, but even though the money works, Dallas would still need to add more value to the trade. If JR is traded for a pick + salary dump, then the Cavs would need Dallas to take on additional money to make sure they're under the tax, if JR is just cut, not sure what Cleveland would want as an additional asset then.
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Re: I Know What They Should Do This Summer 2019: Dallas Mavericks 

Post#32 » by Texas Chuck » Wed Jun 12, 2019 1:46 pm

psimanic1 wrote:Is there some other Millsap that plays PF and is not under contract with Denver? Or I'm missing something here? Everyone is adding Millsap to Dallas, and only way I see us not picking up his team option is if he is taking longer one for smaller amount..


You know we are talking about Paul. :lol:

I figure there is little chance Denver keeps him at $30M. I do agree however the most likely scenario is he stays in Denver on a re-worked deal for more years but less annual money.

As I've stated now several times---don't get hung up on the specific names I used. Impossible for me to know which free agents would consider Dallas or not. Millsap just seemed like the right kind of guy.

While I have you though--I'd have some interest in Plumlee if Denver was just wanting to get off the salary.
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Post#33 » by daoneandonly » Wed Jun 12, 2019 1:53 pm

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daoneandonly wrote:Priority number 1 is to sign KP to a LT deal, anything short is disastrous given what they gave up, and took on to get him.

With Luka/KP in tow, hopefully, the plan needs to be to build around them. Obviously strong defensive players are key, a bruiser/rebounder type to plug alongside KP should also be a target. We don't need the toxic attitudes of a Jimmy Butler (given KP doesnt seem to be Mr Sunshine himself already), or a defensive turnstile, lack of success Kemba. Signing guys like that will do way more harm than good.

Malcolm brogden is a great fit, but him being a RFA and having some injury concerns himself makes that hard. Ideally the 2G next to Luka will be a defensive specialist who can also share the ball handling duties, those guys are few and far between, but in terms of filling Dallas' biggest needs, these are the guys that should somehow be targeted whether its trade of FA

Guards (good fits with Luka):
J-Rich
Malcolm Brogden
Marcus Smart
Jrue Holiday

Big Men (good fits with KP)
Thad Young
Tristan Thompson
Derrick Favors

Most of those guys are impossible to get given our lack of assets, but those are the type of players needed here.

Dallas needs to make a decision on Powell or Kleber too. if Powell is getting the ridiculous deal that was rumored, you cant bring back Kleber on a significant raise, even though most would prefer him to Dwight. Paying 4 big men (assuming they sign or trade for an upgrade, which they should), big money in today's market and landscape just doesnt make sense.


Depending on how the JR Contract situation plays out, TT could be available. I liked the idea of pairing THJ back up with Beilein and seeing if Beilein could get THJ playing at the level that made him a 1st round pick again, but even though the money works, Dallas would still need to add more value to the trade. If JR is traded for a pick + salary dump, then the Cavs would need Dallas to take on additional money to make sure they're under the tax, if JR is just cut, not sure what Cleveland would want as an additional asset then.


I think a trade with those 2 guys as the Central pieces is great and makes so much sense. As you said, THJ reunites with his college coach and fills a need for Clev, TT went to college in Texas and is an ideal fit alongside KP as he covers pretty much all his weaknesses. The question being what bridges the gap where the Cavs would bite?
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Re: I Know What They Should Do This Summer 2019: Dallas Mavericks 

Post#34 » by Revenged25 » Wed Jun 12, 2019 2:08 pm

daoneandonly wrote:
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daoneandonly wrote:Priority number 1 is to sign KP to a LT deal, anything short is disastrous given what they gave up, and took on to get him.

With Luka/KP in tow, hopefully, the plan needs to be to build around them. Obviously strong defensive players are key, a bruiser/rebounder type to plug alongside KP should also be a target. We don't need the toxic attitudes of a Jimmy Butler (given KP doesnt seem to be Mr Sunshine himself already), or a defensive turnstile, lack of success Kemba. Signing guys like that will do way more harm than good.

Malcolm brogden is a great fit, but him being a RFA and having some injury concerns himself makes that hard. Ideally the 2G next to Luka will be a defensive specialist who can also share the ball handling duties, those guys are few and far between, but in terms of filling Dallas' biggest needs, these are the guys that should somehow be targeted whether its trade of FA

Guards (good fits with Luka):
J-Rich
Malcolm Brogden
Marcus Smart
Jrue Holiday

Big Men (good fits with KP)
Thad Young
Tristan Thompson
Derrick Favors

Most of those guys are impossible to get given our lack of assets, but those are the type of players needed here.

Dallas needs to make a decision on Powell or Kleber too. if Powell is getting the ridiculous deal that was rumored, you cant bring back Kleber on a significant raise, even though most would prefer him to Dwight. Paying 4 big men (assuming they sign or trade for an upgrade, which they should), big money in today's market and landscape just doesnt make sense.


Depending on how the JR Contract situation plays out, TT could be available. I liked the idea of pairing THJ back up with Beilein and seeing if Beilein could get THJ playing at the level that made him a 1st round pick again, but even though the money works, Dallas would still need to add more value to the trade. If JR is traded for a pick + salary dump, then the Cavs would need Dallas to take on additional money to make sure they're under the tax, if JR is just cut, not sure what Cleveland would want as an additional asset then.


I think a trade with those 2 guys as the Central pieces is great and makes so much sense. As you said, THJ reunites with his college coach and fills a need for Clev, TT went to college in Texas and is an ideal fit alongside KP as he covers pretty much all his weaknesses. The question being what bridges the gap where the Cavs would bite?


That's the biggest question and revolves firmly around JR's potential trades. But first off, where do you place the value of THJ and TT. I know most on the Cavs board see THJ as a negative value that would need to have an asset to dump it, while they see TT as although he's overpaid still has positive value due to his value to a contending team and being a large expiring contract. So depending on how your valuation of the two are will decide if there is a possible middle ground to be reached.
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Post#35 » by daoneandonly » Wed Jun 12, 2019 2:42 pm

Revenged25 wrote:
daoneandonly wrote:
Revenged25 wrote:
Depending on how the JR Contract situation plays out, TT could be available. I liked the idea of pairing THJ back up with Beilein and seeing if Beilein could get THJ playing at the level that made him a 1st round pick again, but even though the money works, Dallas would still need to add more value to the trade. If JR is traded for a pick + salary dump, then the Cavs would need Dallas to take on additional money to make sure they're under the tax, if JR is just cut, not sure what Cleveland would want as an additional asset then.


I think a trade with those 2 guys as the Central pieces is great and makes so much sense. As you said, THJ reunites with his college coach and fills a need for Clev, TT went to college in Texas and is an ideal fit alongside KP as he covers pretty much all his weaknesses. The question being what bridges the gap where the Cavs would bite?


That's the biggest question and revolves firmly around JR's potential trades. But first off, where do you place the value of THJ and TT. I know most on the Cavs board see THJ as a negative value that would need to have an asset to dump it, while they see TT as although he's overpaid still has positive value due to his value to a contending team and being a large expiring contract. So depending on how your valuation of the two are will decide if there is a possible middle ground to be reached.


There's no arguing THJ is overpaid, but I'd take him over the likes of Batum, Fournier, etc. I just personally don't like his fit with Luka. the ideal 2G with Luka is a defense first guy who can also be a secondary ball handler/facilitator. Dal has very few assets, Justin jackson, Brunson, 2nd rounders are about all they'd be able to give up. I think they're too high on Brunson to include him in a deal for TT though.
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Post#36 » by mislavzmaj » Wed Jun 12, 2019 2:59 pm

On draft night; trade C.Lee and 37pick for C.J.Miles(save 4m for FA)-i think its a fair deal ,mem eat 4m for pick
Enter FA with 34m in cap space whit cap holds for RFA KP(17.1m),Maxi(1.8m) ,DFS(1.9m) they can renounce cap holds and add to cap space if needed.

Start FA with deal for KP ,5/158m(try negotiation similar deal like Embid with some non guaranteed money in case of injuries)

Than sing P.Beverley for 3/30m with TO for last year.Sing D.Green for 2/32 and D.Dedmon for 2/16 with TO for second year.

Than can go over cap to sing DFS and Maxi.Sing DFS for 3/15(let him walk if get over 6m per y from someone),sing Maxi for 4/30(let him go if get more then 10 per y)
Bring JJ.Barea and S.Majri for min,and sing Tolliver for min.

P.Beverley/Brunson/J.J.Barea
D.Green/Tim Hardaway Jr/C.J.Miles
Doncic/DFS/J.Jackson
KP/Maxi/A.Tolliver
D.Dedmon/Powell/Mejri

I dont know how realistic some of those contract are but i would prefer spent money on 2 or 3 players rather than max Kemba or T.Harris .I think Beverley is quite realistic but maybe for little more money and without TO,D.Green is little harder too get after this run with Toronto
alternative options for 16-18m per y are B.Bogdanovic or M.Brogdan ,and for 6-8m per y i think we can get some solid centar(Dedmon,Ed Davis,Lopez brothers).
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Post#37 » by Revenged25 » Wed Jun 12, 2019 3:15 pm

daoneandonly wrote:
Revenged25 wrote:
daoneandonly wrote:
I think a trade with those 2 guys as the Central pieces is great and makes so much sense. As you said, THJ reunites with his college coach and fills a need for Clev, TT went to college in Texas and is an ideal fit alongside KP as he covers pretty much all his weaknesses. The question being what bridges the gap where the Cavs would bite?


That's the biggest question and revolves firmly around JR's potential trades. But first off, where do you place the value of THJ and TT. I know most on the Cavs board see THJ as a negative value that would need to have an asset to dump it, while they see TT as although he's overpaid still has positive value due to his value to a contending team and being a large expiring contract. So depending on how your valuation of the two are will decide if there is a possible middle ground to be reached.


There's no arguing THJ is overpaid, but I'd take him over the likes of Batum, Fournier, etc. I just personally don't like his fit with Luka. the ideal 2G with Luka is a defense first guy who can also be a secondary ball handler/facilitator. Dal has very few assets, Justin jackson, Brunson, 2nd rounders are about all they'd be able to give up. I think they're too high on Brunson to include him in a deal for TT though.


Agreed on the Batum/Fournier front. Since you need a defense first guard next to Luca, how about...

Cleveland gets:
THJ
JJ
#39

Dallas gets:
TT
Delly

Cavs save about 7 million in cap space, which helps make up for any trade JR brings back, gets a 2nd round pick and another young prospect to develop.

Dallas gets a big that's a great fit next to KP in covering up his weaknesses as well as an expiring defensive minded combo guard to put next to Doncic.
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Post#38 » by loserX » Wed Jun 12, 2019 4:01 pm

mislavzmaj wrote:I am sorry if there is a lot mistake in writing,English is my second language. :D


You did great! (A lot better than I would have in a second language, that's for sure :D )

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Post#39 » by daoneandonly » Wed Jun 12, 2019 4:04 pm

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mislavzmaj wrote:I am sorry if there is a lot mistake in writing,English is my second language. :D


You did great! (A lot better than I would have in a second language, that's for sure :D )

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Post#40 » by daoneandonly » Wed Jun 12, 2019 4:05 pm

Revenged25 wrote:
daoneandonly wrote:
Revenged25 wrote:
That's the biggest question and revolves firmly around JR's potential trades. But first off, where do you place the value of THJ and TT. I know most on the Cavs board see THJ as a negative value that would need to have an asset to dump it, while they see TT as although he's overpaid still has positive value due to his value to a contending team and being a large expiring contract. So depending on how your valuation of the two are will decide if there is a possible middle ground to be reached.


There's no arguing THJ is overpaid, but I'd take him over the likes of Batum, Fournier, etc. I just personally don't like his fit with Luka. the ideal 2G with Luka is a defense first guy who can also be a secondary ball handler/facilitator. Dal has very few assets, Justin jackson, Brunson, 2nd rounders are about all they'd be able to give up. I think they're too high on Brunson to include him in a deal for TT though.


Agreed on the Batum/Fournier front. Since you need a defense first guard next to Luca, how about...

Cleveland gets:
THJ
JJ
#39

Dallas gets:
TT
Delly

Cavs save about 7 million in cap space, which helps make up for any trade JR brings back, gets a 2nd round pick and another young prospect to develop.

Dallas gets a big that's a great fit next to KP in covering up his weaknesses as well as an expiring defensive minded combo guard to put next to Doncic.


I think Dal has their heart set on FA, though theyve failed many times prior, so taking back Delly while also losing a pick and a cheap guy like JJ may be a tough pill to swallow. it's not a bad deal, and probably where the value is, just not sure how the FO would feel about it

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