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We've had some success and interest in these threads in the past, so figured we'd revive them for this year's lottery teams to start!
How would you handle the Atlanta Hawks' offseason?
Front office changes, June draft, July free agency, and trades throughout...it's all on the table!
Current salary:
Kent Bazemore.......19,269,662
Allen Crabbe..........18,500,000
Miles Plumlee.........12,500,000
Trae Young............ 6,273,000.....6,571,800 (TO).....8,326,471 (TO)
Alex Len............... 4,160,000
John Collins.......... 2,686,560.....4,137,302 (TO)
Kevin Huerter......... 2,636,280.....2,761,920 (TO).....4,253,357 (TO)
DeAndre Bembry..... 2,603,982
Omari Spellman...... 1,897,800.....1,988,280 (TO).....3,588,845 (TO)
Jaylen Adams......... 1,416,852 (ung)
Free agents: Dewayne Dedmon, Justin Anderson, Vince Carter
Total of above for 2019-20: $75,426,122
2019 projected cap: $109,000,000
That leaves the Hawks with about $23.5M in cap space. The 8th pick will count for about $4.85M, the 10th pick for about $4.24M, and the 17th pick for $2.96M if all paid 120% of scale, which almost everyone does. There are also roster spots to fill.
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The Hawks have the #8, #10 and #17 picks in 2019, as well as #35, #41 and #42 in the second round.
They have all their own future first rounders, plus incoming (protected) first rounders in 2020 from Brooklyn and Cleveland and another in 2022 from OKC. They owe their 2020 and 2021 second rounders, but have extras in 2023 and 2025.
Some possible questions to consider:
1) Nix Six Picks: The Hawks have done a fine job of asset acquisition, but they're in danger of hitting the point of diminishing returns. They have *six* picks in this year's draft and may have another four in next year's. Even if it were smart to add this many rookies (and it isn't!), the team is going to have a big roster crunch if they keep all of them. Start with the 2019 draft; how should they handle this surfeit of picks? Move up? Defer? Sell? Trade for more established talent?
2) Tip one's cap: even after the Crabbe deal, there's still cap room available. Some will get chewed up by whichever picks they *do* keep. The team also has interest in bringing back Dedmon; how much of that cap are they willing to give him? What should they do with the leftovers? Sign more veteran help? Use it for an uneven trade? Save it to see if there are opportunities closer to the deadline?
3) No Roster for Old Men: if the Hawks do keep their picks (or trade them for other picks), there isn't a lot of veteran presence here: Crabbe and Bazemore and that's about it. Does that make Dedmon more important? Are there any helpful hands at PG and PF they can add to their bench?
Are the Hawks ready to start climbing back out of the basement? Or should they be slow-playing this a while longer? How would you handle this decision?
How would you handle the Atlanta Hawks' offseason?
Front office changes, June draft, July free agency, and trades throughout...it's all on the table!
Current salary:
Kent Bazemore.......19,269,662
Allen Crabbe..........18,500,000
Miles Plumlee.........12,500,000
Trae Young............ 6,273,000.....6,571,800 (TO).....8,326,471 (TO)
Alex Len............... 4,160,000
John Collins.......... 2,686,560.....4,137,302 (TO)
Kevin Huerter......... 2,636,280.....2,761,920 (TO).....4,253,357 (TO)
DeAndre Bembry..... 2,603,982
Omari Spellman...... 1,897,800.....1,988,280 (TO).....3,588,845 (TO)
Jaylen Adams......... 1,416,852 (ung)
Free agents: Dewayne Dedmon, Justin Anderson, Vince Carter
Total of above for 2019-20: $75,426,122
2019 projected cap: $109,000,000
That leaves the Hawks with about $23.5M in cap space. The 8th pick will count for about $4.85M, the 10th pick for about $4.24M, and the 17th pick for $2.96M if all paid 120% of scale, which almost everyone does. There are also roster spots to fill.
Draft
The Hawks have the #8, #10 and #17 picks in 2019, as well as #35, #41 and #42 in the second round.
They have all their own future first rounders, plus incoming (protected) first rounders in 2020 from Brooklyn and Cleveland and another in 2022 from OKC. They owe their 2020 and 2021 second rounders, but have extras in 2023 and 2025.
Some possible questions to consider:
1) Nix Six Picks: The Hawks have done a fine job of asset acquisition, but they're in danger of hitting the point of diminishing returns. They have *six* picks in this year's draft and may have another four in next year's. Even if it were smart to add this many rookies (and it isn't!), the team is going to have a big roster crunch if they keep all of them. Start with the 2019 draft; how should they handle this surfeit of picks? Move up? Defer? Sell? Trade for more established talent?
2) Tip one's cap: even after the Crabbe deal, there's still cap room available. Some will get chewed up by whichever picks they *do* keep. The team also has interest in bringing back Dedmon; how much of that cap are they willing to give him? What should they do with the leftovers? Sign more veteran help? Use it for an uneven trade? Save it to see if there are opportunities closer to the deadline?
3) No Roster for Old Men: if the Hawks do keep their picks (or trade them for other picks), there isn't a lot of veteran presence here: Crabbe and Bazemore and that's about it. Does that make Dedmon more important? Are there any helpful hands at PG and PF they can add to their bench?
Are the Hawks ready to start climbing back out of the basement? Or should they be slow-playing this a while longer? How would you handle this decision?
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I think we should just resign Dedmon to something like a 2/16, and then use the remainder of our cap space to take on a contract for another asset (e.g. Roberson + 1st).
Would the Pels then entertain 7 picks for Zion? Probably not, but it'd be worth a call. If not, we consolidate a few of our picks, potentially ending up with 8, 9, and 10.
Would the Pels then entertain 7 picks for Zion? Probably not, but it'd be worth a call. If not, we consolidate a few of our picks, potentially ending up with 8, 9, and 10.
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1. Hawks is doing a great job in gathering asset with draft picks (six right now and seven may be on the way), I think the game plan is use those picks including Cavs 2020 pick to move up or down to gain more picks in future drafts. I know that 8 is going to stay, while we move down from 10 (Boston/Spurs) to get future picks in 2020/2021. 17 and 2 second rounds to move up (or one more first round pick that OKC/Hawks is talking about that right now). It is all about flexibility and the Hawks has it in spades.
2. I can see we bring in one more bad contact for draft picks (OKC/Boston or those who has ambitions for superstars) and those round out the roster
3. We will be fine with the lack of veterans there, we are not in the position to get the playoffs yet (one reason why we should resign Vince for his last season and Dedmon for two years or 1+1 deal) and we are going to be in the lottery again so there is no pressure.
Right now, it may look like "the Process" but we will have close to clean cap next season, four picks next year and a lot of money to go after two max contracts.
2. I can see we bring in one more bad contact for draft picks (OKC/Boston or those who has ambitions for superstars) and those round out the roster
3. We will be fine with the lack of veterans there, we are not in the position to get the playoffs yet (one reason why we should resign Vince for his last season and Dedmon for two years or 1+1 deal) and we are going to be in the lottery again so there is no pressure.
Right now, it may look like "the Process" but we will have close to clean cap next season, four picks next year and a lot of money to go after two max contracts.
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loserX wrote:We've had some success and interest in these threads in the past, so figured we'd revive them for this year's lottery teams to start!
Are the Hawks ready to start climbing back out of the basement? Or should they be slow-playing this a while longer? How would you handle this decision?
Everybody has their own vision of doing things. I'mma try to combine mines and Schlenk. I feel strongly they like Culver, and believe they would trade 8 + 17 to whomever he lands to. I personally would just go bpa/best fit on all three if the asking price is too high to move up.
Everything done in 2019 and beyond is in preparation for the almighty 2021 off-season. The Hawks should have max money along with semi max money to compliment a 19-24 yo playoff battled team. Collins is the only for sure big cap hit by then.
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Trade up for Culver at 6 while nets get ammo for AD.
Suns trade: #6 + #32 + Milwaukee 1st
Suns receive: Dinwiddie + #10
Nets trade: Dinwiddie
Nets receive: #17 + #32 + Milwaukee 1st
Hawks trade: #17 + #10
Hawks receive: #6
Suns trade: #6 + #32 + Milwaukee 1st
Suns receive: Dinwiddie + #10
Nets trade: Dinwiddie
Nets receive: #17 + #32 + Milwaukee 1st
Hawks trade: #17 + #10
Hawks receive: #6
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I think you’re missing Miles Plumlee in your salary table.
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1. If possible, take on Mozgov for Orlandos first this year.
2. Trade all but three picks, more seems to probably be detrimental to their development, this year for future picks or for trading up, e.g. maybe Oklahoma City is interested in a first round pick to lower the 2022 protections, or maybe some teams like this years second round picks for future second rounders.
3. Sign Carter and Dedmon to short/medium length contracts for a decent price (e.g. Dedmon for 25/2).
If Atlanta was not able/willing to take on Mozgov, stay open to the possibility of taking on worse contracts/players than Crabbe and Bazemore for them if the compensation is right (future picks).
Alternative: If the cap space provides it, offer Brogdon a good contract.
2. Trade all but three picks, more seems to probably be detrimental to their development, this year for future picks or for trading up, e.g. maybe Oklahoma City is interested in a first round pick to lower the 2022 protections, or maybe some teams like this years second round picks for future second rounders.
3. Sign Carter and Dedmon to short/medium length contracts for a decent price (e.g. Dedmon for 25/2).
If Atlanta was not able/willing to take on Mozgov, stay open to the possibility of taking on worse contracts/players than Crabbe and Bazemore for them if the compensation is right (future picks).
Alternative: If the cap space provides it, offer Brogdon a good contract.
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School_Kid wrote:I think you’re missing Miles Plumlee in your salary table.
Good catch! The totals and cap space figures are already correct, I just forgot to type in that line. Editing now, thank you!
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Yeah I think one year salary dumps (which I expect quite a few of early in FA and at the draft) and I like resigning Dedmon to something reasonable. He can be flipped if necessary, but does feel like one of those good vets to have around.
I like the Suns trade above and I think makes sense. Generally I think Culver is a good fit for ATL. And I think using some of the future picks from other teams and later ones to move up in this draft feels appropriate. Could go a number of ways with the second 1st.
I'd be inclined to try for another wing with upside or someone like Bol/Hayes/Goga.
I like the Suns trade above and I think makes sense. Generally I think Culver is a good fit for ATL. And I think using some of the future picks from other teams and later ones to move up in this draft feels appropriate. Could go a number of ways with the second 1st.
I'd be inclined to try for another wing with upside or someone like Bol/Hayes/Goga.
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Crives wrote:Trade up for Culver at 6 while nets get ammo for AD.
Suns trade: #6 + #32 + Milwaukee 1st
Suns receive: Dinwiddie + #10
Nets trade: Dinwiddie
Nets receive: #17 + #32 + Milwaukee 1st
Hawks trade: #17 + #10
Hawks receive: #6
Culver seems like a lock for top 5
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dakomish23 wrote:Crives wrote:Trade up for Culver at 6 while nets get ammo for AD.
Suns trade: #6 + #32 + Milwaukee 1st
Suns receive: Dinwiddie + #10
Nets trade: Dinwiddie
Nets receive: #17 + #32 + Milwaukee 1st
Hawks trade: #17 + #10
Hawks receive: #6
Culver seems like a lock for top 5
I think he’s most likely to go 4 or 5,
But I think it’s realistic for LA to take Garland and Cleveland preferring 3pt shooting from hunter
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#8: Cam
#10: Sekou
#17: Goga
#35 + #42 trade up draft Samanic
#41: trade future SRP
If Schlenk needs to trade up a tad to get above picks, it's possible.
FA: Trade one of Baze, Crabbe, Plumlee for a bad contract and future FRP. Sign a back up PG.
My plan is to let the Hawks develop internally. Develop their young core for a couple of seasons. This will put the Hawks in a position to continue to have cap space to add picks during the development period. Consolidate later.
#10: Sekou
#17: Goga
#35 + #42 trade up draft Samanic
#41: trade future SRP
If Schlenk needs to trade up a tad to get above picks, it's possible.
FA: Trade one of Baze, Crabbe, Plumlee for a bad contract and future FRP. Sign a back up PG.
My plan is to let the Hawks develop internally. Develop their young core for a couple of seasons. This will put the Hawks in a position to continue to have cap space to add picks during the development period. Consolidate later.
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tbhawksfan1 wrote:#8: Cam
#10: Sekou
#17: Goga
#35 + #42 trade up draft Samanic
#41: trade future SRP
If Schlenk needs to trade up a tad to get above picks, it's possible.
FA: Trade one of Baze, Crabbe, Plumlee for a bad contract and future FRP. Sign a back up PG.
My plan is to let the Hawks develop internally. Develop their young core for a couple of seasons. This will put the Hawks in a position to continue to have cap space to add picks during the development period. Consolidate later.
That would be a spectacular draft
I can’t see goga lasting till pick 17 and think you’d have to take him at 10 and a different F @17
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Coeur wrote:tbhawksfan1 wrote:#8: Cam
#10: Sekou
#17: Goga
#35 + #42 trade up draft Samanic
#41: trade future SRP
If Schlenk needs to trade up a tad to get above picks, it's possible.
FA: Trade one of Baze, Crabbe, Plumlee for a bad contract and future FRP. Sign a back up PG.
My plan is to let the Hawks develop internally. Develop their young core for a couple of seasons. This will put the Hawks in a position to continue to have cap space to add picks during the development period. Consolidate later.
That would be a spectacular draft
I can’t see goga lasting till pick 17 and think you’d have to take him at 10 and a different F @17
I prefer to stay put and hope for my picks. Nando, Hayes or Kabengele are nice plan B if Goga is gone
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alessandrux wrote:1. If possible, take on Mozgov for Orlandos first this year.
i dont see Orlando trading away their 1st with Mozgov being an expiring this year
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azuresou1 wrote:I think we should just resign Dedmon to something like a 2/16, and then use the remainder of our cap space to take on a contract for another asset (e.g. Roberson + 1st).
What does everyone see Dedmon getting in free agency?
We had that discussion on the Kings board and I think the consensus was pretty much something around 3/$30m. I personally thought it would get up to something like 3/$38m. I think with his skillset, a lot of teams will want him, so I think the mid level is his baseline on salary. Then I think there will be enough competition that you will have to go a third year. Personally, I would not pay that, but I think there are people on the Kings board who would.
Where are Hawks fans on the max you would give him? What do you think he gets?
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becorz wrote:azuresou1 wrote:I think we should just resign Dedmon to something like a 2/16, and then use the remainder of our cap space to take on a contract for another asset (e.g. Roberson + 1st).
What does everyone see Dedmon getting in free agency?
We had that discussion on the Kings board and I think the consensus was pretty much something around 3/$30m. I personally thought it would get up to something like 3/$38m. I think with his skillset, a lot of teams will want him, so I think the mid level is his baseline on salary. Then I think there will be enough competition that you will have to go a third year. Personally, I would not pay that, but I think there are people on the Kings board who would.
Where are Hawks fans on the max you would give him? What do you think he gets?
I would guess Between $10-$14 mil. Per year depending on contract length.
Saw a report that Hawks are willing to pay a higher dollar amount for a shorter contract.
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I'm actually okay giving him a hefty chunk this year and next, because we are far away from contending and have some big expirings on our book anyways for this season.
I think 2021-2022 is when we start trying to compete.
I think 2021-2022 is when we start trying to compete.
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