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Re: Heat Sixers Miami gets a ⭐️

Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 6:43 pm
by jbk1234
HartfordWhalers wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
HartfordWhalers wrote:Here was my view on what was fair:

Waiters + Miami incentive to let’s say Atlanta

2nd rounder (and cash) to Philly

Butler to Miami.

If Miami needs more outgoing salary, just add more above to (Atlanta) and more incentive.

Basically, Miami might have to pay to dump salary but that is to dump salary. Philly should get almost nothing for Butler. The third team is added to make clear this distinction.
Assuming Whiteside opts in, if he hasn't already, the Heat need to clear $40M to offer Butler a max? The Nets need to renounce Russell and get someone to take one of their good role players. The Heat need to make it worth it for the Sixers.

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Oh,I'm not saying a sign and trade is easy for a team with a bunch of bad salary.

I am saying that a team should expect to get no more than a 2nd rounder for a free agent.
I mean the cost of dumping long-term money, or even short-term money ahead of free agency, doesn't change. If the Heat don't pay it to Philly, they still have to pay it to someone and no team is taking Waiters or JJ for a second. So the sweetener should really be on top of the cost of clearing that space, not instead of it.

If they won't part with J. Rich, then maybe Dragic, JJ and 13 works. But they'd have to add a real asset.



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Re: Heat Sixers Miami gets a ⭐️

Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 8:49 pm
by gom
I would trade Dragic, JJ, and #13 for Butler. I think Winslow/Butler/Richardson/Bam/Whiteside would be pretty good, but we're not likely to trade James Johnson unless there is a major change in our team philosophy.

Re: Heat Sixers Miami gets a ⭐️

Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 10:23 pm
by the_process
Dragic, Olynyk, and 13 for S&T Butler and 24 could also work IMO.

Re: Heat Sixers Miami gets a ⭐️

Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 10:44 pm
by gom
the_process wrote:Dragic, Olynyk, and 13 for S&T Butler and 24 could also work IMO.


I would do this trade if PHI added a SRP.

Re: Heat Sixers Miami gets a ⭐️

Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 12:50 am
by Hoops23
I think Butler will leave the Sixers for nothing by signing with the lakers.

Re: Heat Sixers Miami gets a ⭐️

Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 1:14 am
by jbk1234
gom wrote:
the_process wrote:Dragic, Olynyk, and 13 for S&T Butler and 24 could also work IMO.


I would do this trade if PHI added a SRP.
You'd do it without the second round pick. Second round picks don't stop deals like this from happening.

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Re: Heat Sixers Miami gets a ⭐️

Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 2:10 am
by BBallFreak
jbk1234 wrote:
gom wrote:
the_process wrote:Dragic, Olynyk, and 13 for S&T Butler and 24 could also work IMO.


I would do this trade if PHI added a SRP.
You'd do it without the second round pick. Second round picks don't stop deals like this from happening.

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Bit presumptuous to tell someone what they would or would not do. I wouldn't trade him without a second rounder, either. It's the principle of it...

Re: Heat Sixers Miami gets a ⭐️

Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2019 2:58 pm
by jbk1234
BBallFreak wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
gom wrote:
I would do this trade if PHI added a SRP.
You'd do it without the second round pick. Second round picks don't stop deals like this from happening.

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Bit presumptuous to tell someone what they would or would not do. I wouldn't trade him without a second rounder, either. It's the principle of it...


Fine. The Heat would do it without the second round pick.

Re: Heat Sixers Miami gets a ⭐️

Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2019 2:59 pm
by BBallFreak
jbk1234 wrote:
BBallFreak wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:You'd do it without the second round pick. Second round picks don't stop deals like this from happening.

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Bit presumptuous to tell someone what they would or would not do. I wouldn't trade him without a second rounder, either. It's the principle of it...


Fine. The Heat would do it without the second round pick.
You're entitled to your opinion, but please don't present it as fact. You are guessing, unless you have a source you'd like to share.

Re: Heat Sixers Miami gets a ⭐️

Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2019 3:20 pm
by Domejandro
BBallFreak wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
BBallFreak wrote:Bit presumptuous to tell someone what they would or would not do. I wouldn't trade him without a second rounder, either. It's the principle of it...


Fine. The Heat would do it without the second round pick.
You're entitled to your opinion, but please don't present it as fact. You are guessing, unless you have a source you'd like to share.

The trade is literally Goran Dragić, Kelly Olynyk, and #13 for Jimmy Butler and #24; I can confidently say Miami would be fine without receiving a Second Round Draft Pick in return there.

Re: Heat Sixers Miami gets a ⭐️

Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2019 3:23 pm
by BBallFreak
Domejandro wrote:
BBallFreak wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
Fine. The Heat would do it without the second round pick.
You're entitled to your opinion, but please don't present it as fact. You are guessing, unless you have a source you'd like to share.

The trade is literally Goran Dragić, Kelly Olynyk, and #13 for Jimmy Butler and #24; I can confidently say Miami would be fine without receiving a Second Round Draft Pick in return there.
Me too, probably. Not the point though.

Re: Heat Sixers Miami gets a ⭐️

Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2019 8:29 pm
by gom
Signing Butler to a max deal is not that great of a plan.

Re: Heat Sixers Miami gets a ⭐️

Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2019 8:57 pm
by cool93
BBallFreak wrote:No one is suggesting that Philly should take Waiters and James Johnson and be happy about it, but this is a HUGE overpay. This is what we'd offer for AD, not Jimmy Butler.

I think Hartford left out the fact that you might get Josh Richardson, Waiters, and our pick, but Waiters won't get taken away for a mere second rounder. That pick would go to the third team.


'm not saying that this offer for Butler is fair, but this offer for AD would be just laughable, even is you add all picks MIA has

Re: Heat Sixers Miami gets a ⭐️

Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2019 9:14 pm
by BBallFreak
cool93 wrote:
BBallFreak wrote:No one is suggesting that Philly should take Waiters and James Johnson and be happy about it, but this is a HUGE overpay. This is what we'd offer for AD, not Jimmy Butler.

I think Hartford left out the fact that you might get Josh Richardson, Waiters, and our pick, but Waiters won't get taken away for a mere second rounder. That pick would go to the third team.


'm not saying that this offer for Butler is fair, but this offer for AD would be just laughable, even is you add all picks MIA has
I didn't say it would win, but it's the best Miami could offer, and it has a lot more value than Jimmy Butler.