Woj: AD to LA for 3 1sts, Ingram, Ball, Hart

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Who won the trade?

Lakers by a lot
22
15%
Lakers by a little
15
10%
Both
44
30%
Pelicans by a little
19
13%
Pelicans by a lot
33
22%
Need to see the draft protections
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Other (explain?)
2
1%
 
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Re: Woj: AD to LA for 3 1sts, Ingram, Ball, Hart 

Post#41 » by VCfor3 » Sat Jun 15, 2019 11:02 pm

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That could potentially be nice later on if true. I don't think it'll matter for the 1st couple of years.


All it takes is an injury or two and this could be an absolute demolishing by NOP if that's true.
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Re: Woj: AD to LA for 3 1sts, Ingram, Ball, Hart 

Post#42 » by Dr Positivity » Sat Jun 15, 2019 11:03 pm

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Re: Woj: AD to LA for 3 1sts, Ingram, Ball, Hart 

Post#43 » by MoneyTalks41890 » Sat Jun 15, 2019 11:05 pm

I have LAs max cap room at 27m if they trade Bonga and Wagner with no salary coming back. Don’t see how they can get any max FAs.

http://www.shamsports.com/capulator?id=3537721685d057a509cf49208782971
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Re: Woj: AD to LA for 3 1sts, Ingram, Ball, Hart 

Post#44 » by Brandon-Clyde » Sat Jun 15, 2019 11:05 pm

Now watch AD leave as a free agent next summer :evil:
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Re: Woj: AD to LA for 3 1sts, Ingram, Ball, Hart 

Post#45 » by kobe_vs_jordan » Sat Jun 15, 2019 11:06 pm

MoneyTalks41890 wrote:I have LAs max cap room at 27m if they trade Bonga and Wagner with no salary coming back. Don’t see how they can get any max FAs.

http://www.shamsports.com/capulator?id=3537721685d057a509cf49208782971

Trade is not official till after FA starts.
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Re: Woj: AD to LA for 3 1sts, Ingram, Ball, Hart 

Post#46 » by Dr Positivity » Sat Jun 15, 2019 11:07 pm

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Re: Woj: AD to LA for 3 1sts, Ingram, Ball, Hart 

Post#47 » by VCfor3 » Sat Jun 15, 2019 11:08 pm

MoneyTalks41890 wrote:I have LAs max cap room at 27m if they trade Bonga and Wagner with no salary coming back. Don’t see how they can get any max FAs.

http://www.shamsports.com/capulator?id=3537721685d057a509cf49208782971


If they sign the #4 pick, wait the 30 days, and then do the trade after signing a FA they have more space (need #4's salary to make the deal legal since you aren't taking AD into space). Otherwise yes you are correct.
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Re: Woj: AD to LA for 3 1sts, Ingram, Ball, Hart 

Post#48 » by MoneyTalks41890 » Sat Jun 15, 2019 11:08 pm

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MoneyTalks41890 wrote:I have LAs max cap room at 27m if they trade Bonga and Wagner with no salary coming back. Don’t see how they can get any max FAs.

http://www.shamsports.com/capulator?id=3537721685d057a509cf49208782971

Trade is not official till after FA starts.


But then they won’t be able to match salary for the AD trade.

Again stretching Deng was such a terrible move.
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Post#49 » by kobe_vs_jordan » Sat Jun 15, 2019 11:09 pm

MoneyTalks41890 wrote:
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MoneyTalks41890 wrote:I have LAs max cap room at 27m if they trade Bonga and Wagner with no salary coming back. Don’t see how they can get any max FAs.

http://www.shamsports.com/capulator?id=3537721685d057a509cf49208782971

Trade is not official till after FA starts.


But then they won’t be able to match salary for the AD trade.

Again stretching Deng was such a terrible move.

Only need to send out something like 22 million for it be a legal trade for AD.

Only Deng worst than stretching Deng was signing him in the first place.
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Re: Woj: AD to LA for 3 1sts, Ingram, Ball, Hart 

Post#50 » by Stillwater » Sat Jun 15, 2019 11:12 pm

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Crives wrote:I feel like pelicans will have a 2nd move coming with Ball.

Yep 6th from PHO or 7th from CHI might be in play along with a sweetener to Pels


I think if they want another draft pick they are moving Holiday... which could be more likely after this trade.
(They traded for young players and picks instead of an all star like WOJ mentioned earlier)

If they move ball I think it’s for a more established win now player.

Maybe, but they could also take Garland or White at 4 and shop them for a center with intention of keeping Ball.
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Re: Woj: AD to LA for 3 1sts, Ingram, Ball, Hart 

Post#51 » by MoneyTalks41890 » Sat Jun 15, 2019 11:13 pm

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Wasabi_Johnson wrote:Trade is not official till after FA starts.


But then they won’t be able to match salary for the AD trade.

Again stretching Deng was such a terrible move.

Only need to send out something like 22 million for it be a legal trade for AD.

Only Deng worst than stretching Deng was signing him in the first place.


So if they sign 4 for the Pels and wait the 30 days they can sign a max 7-9 year guy but they still have to trade Bonga and Wagner for no salary back.

But I really don’t see the Pels going along with waiting a month to do the Lakers a favor.
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Re: Woj: AD to LA for 3 1sts, Ingram, Ball, Hart 

Post#52 » by Dr Positivity » Sat Jun 15, 2019 11:16 pm

MoneyTalks41890 wrote:
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MoneyTalks41890 wrote:I have LAs max cap room at 27m if they trade Bonga and Wagner with no salary coming back. Don’t see how they can get any max FAs.

http://www.shamsports.com/capulator?id=3537721685d057a509cf49208782971

Trade is not official till after FA starts.


But then they won’t be able to match salary for the AD trade.

Again stretching Deng was such a terrible move.


They don't have to match salary, just use cap room
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Re: Woj: AD to LA for 3 1sts, Ingram, Ball, Hart 

Post#53 » by Mrakar » Sat Jun 15, 2019 11:17 pm

I just hope Pels flip lonzo somwhere else. If not this will be disapointing return....
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Re: Woj: AD to LA for 3 1sts, Ingram, Ball, Hart 

Post#54 » by Scoot McGroot » Sat Jun 15, 2019 11:19 pm

MoneyTalks41890 wrote:I have LAs max cap room at 27m if they trade Bonga and Wagner with no salary coming back. Don’t see how they can get any max FAs.

http://www.shamsports.com/capulator?id=3537721685d057a509cf49208782971


That shows 29.4 now. But yeah, if New Orleans isn’t willing to wait for LA to sign the 4 and trade him, which would mean waiting until August, then there’s no way to add another max contract guy fully. Otherwise, they’re right at that 29-30.
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Post#55 » by MoneyTalks41890 » Sat Jun 15, 2019 11:22 pm

Mrakar wrote:I just hope Pels flip lonzo somwhere else. If not this will be disapointing return....


Lonzo to the Bulls for 7, 4 and 7 for 2?

Morant/Moore/Jackson
Jrue/Hart
Ingram/Hill
Zion
Okafor

I know I’m missing a bunch of guys but I like that core.
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Post#56 » by kobe_vs_jordan » Sat Jun 15, 2019 11:24 pm

MoneyTalks41890 wrote:
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But then they won’t be able to match salary for the AD trade.

Again stretching Deng was such a terrible move.

Only need to send out something like 22 million for it be a legal trade for AD.

Only Deng worst than stretching Deng was signing him in the first place.


So if they sign 4 for the Pels and wait the 30 days they can sign a max 7-9 year guy but they still have to trade Bonga and Wagner for no salary back.

But I really don’t see the Pels going along with waiting a month to do the Lakers a favor.

Was said trade can't be official till July 6. Signing 4 and waiting 30 days is one path. If Pels don't want to be generous . The second path is losing Bonga and Wagner and doing the trade July 6. All the Lakers players minus Kuzma and pick 4 salary equal bout 22.9 million. 22.9 *1.25 = 28.6 . That's a legal trade and still have a max.
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Re: Woj: AD to LA for 3 1sts, Ingram, Ball, Hart 

Post#57 » by jbk1234 » Sat Jun 15, 2019 11:26 pm

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Re: Woj: AD to LA for 3 1sts, Ingram, Ball, Hart 

Post#58 » by Super Powered » Sat Jun 15, 2019 11:26 pm

I hope we're about to trade Jrue and not Ball. I rather go full rebuild around Zion, not some blended bs! I believe in Ball, let's keepem Griffin!
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Re: Woj: AD to LA for 3 1sts, Ingram, Ball, Hart 

Post#59 » by Dr Positivity » Sat Jun 15, 2019 11:27 pm

I said it before keeping Lebron is a huge risk for the Lakers. The safe way out was trading him (eg for Ben Simmons) and keeping all their assets.

The only way forward with Bron was to sacrifice their young players and cap to go all in. The thing is there's a chance this goes belly up. Lebron is at the point where he might have 1, 2 or 0 prime years left. We don't know. He could be done halfway through the season with injury. It could be a drama filled mess of a year like the Dwight year leading AD to change his mind. What if by the end of the year the Lakers look like a team led by a increasingly washed up star with no assets and cap room going forward? Does AD want to spend his whole prime there? Obviously with no Warriors the upside is clear. But the Lakers are betting it all on a very old player in NBA miles
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Re: Woj: AD to LA for 3 1sts, Ingram, Ball, Hart 

Post#60 » by VCfor3 » Sat Jun 15, 2019 11:27 pm

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Mrakar wrote:I just hope Pels flip lonzo somwhere else. If not this will be disapointing return....


Lonzo to the Bulls for 7, 4 and 7 for 2?

Morant/Moore/Jackson
Jrue/Hart
Ingram/Hill
Zion
Okafor

I know I’m missing a bunch of guys but I like that core.


The problem is that I'm not sure the guys available at 4 and 7 make that trade worth it for Memphis. NOP is flush with assets and could make a deal happen, but I just think Memphis would have a hard time pulling the trigger on 2 for 4+7.

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