Trade 1: TOR/BOS
Toronto gets Gordon Hayward, Boston gets Marc Gasol and Norman Powell
Trade 1: TOR/OKC
Toronto gets Steven Adams, Oklahoma City gets Serge Ibaka
Raptors roster:
Kyle Lowry / Fred VanVleet
Gordon Hayward / Matt Thomas
OG Anunoby / Stanley Johnson
Pascal Siakam / Rondae Hollis-Jefferson
Steven Adams / Chris Boucher
Toronto gets younger and if Hayward bounces back gives them a much needed shooting/scoring threat. Adams can be a long term piece. Hayward and Adams both expire in 2021 which allows them to go after Giannis and other FAs
Boston goes for it with Gasol (great in a matchup against Embiid) and Kemba and gets cap relief after. OKC brings back Ibaka who can they can flip for an asset later if they are dumping Westbrook for a borderline negative value contract in Adams
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I'd really want draft compensation from both OKC and Boston for getting off of those contracts a year early. I also think Hayward to Gasol and Powell is a pretty clear upgrade. To not get a pick, at least, in return is reason enough to say no.
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Troubadour wrote:I'd really want draft compensation from both OKC and Boston for getting off of those contracts a year early. I also think Hayward to Gasol and Powell is a pretty clear upgrade. To not get a pick, at least, in return is reason enough to say no.
I think with 2021 being one of the best free agent classes of all time and 2020 one of the worst, it increases the likelihood teams are willing to take a player like Hayward or Adams since it just rolls their cap space over
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Dr Positivity wrote:Troubadour wrote:I'd really want draft compensation from both OKC and Boston for getting off of those contracts a year early. I also think Hayward to Gasol and Powell is a pretty clear upgrade. To not get a pick, at least, in return is reason enough to say no.
I think with 2021 being one of the best free agent classes of all time and 2020 one of the worst, it increases the likelihood teams are willing to take a player like Hayward or Adams since it just rolls their cap space over
I guess. I am also really reluctant to root for a team with Gordon Hayward on it, which is partly informing my opinion.
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Does this really make Toronto better?
I like Ibaka/Powell for Hayward if you want to take a risk. That makes some sense to me TBH, if Hayward can regain any of his form in a much better situation then its worth it.
Boston gets a stop gap Center for this year, they have plenty of wings to replace Hayward.
I like Ibaka/Powell for Hayward if you want to take a risk. That makes some sense to me TBH, if Hayward can regain any of his form in a much better situation then its worth it.
Boston gets a stop gap Center for this year, they have plenty of wings to replace Hayward.
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RipPizzaGuy wrote:Does this really make Toronto better?
Gasol last year was likely better than Adams will ever be, but is an old FA while Adams is same age as Siakam. So if we made a deal like Hayward for for Ibaka/Gasol, it would depend whether Masai wants to go all in next year, or wants to build a long term plan. Even going all in by keeping Gasol instead of Adams isn't infallible since he could get worse while Adams gets better.
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Don't think we want to add on 2021-2022 salary because of how damn good that class is going to be. Hayward isn't worth his contract right now and I don't see Toronto as a good team after doing both deals. Philly is clearly better and so is Milwaukee. I can't see them getting past them in a seven game series and if Miami gets Westbrook to pair with Butler they might have something.RipPizzaGuy wrote:Does this really make Toronto better?
I like Ibaka/Powell for Hayward if you want to take a risk. That makes some sense to me TBH, if Hayward can regain any of his form in a much better situation then its worth it.
Boston gets a stop gap Center for this year, they have plenty of wings to replace Hayward.
I really want Toronto to rebuild around Siakam, a late lotto pick and whatever they get for Ibaka, Gasol, Lowry and their cap space. I think guys like Wiggins, Hayward, Westbrook all are bad fits here they are guys you go after if you have a deep good team already not try to go from a potential 7th seed to a 5th seed
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I don’t think okc will move Adams and definitely won’t attach a pick to do so. There is a good chance he looks a lot better next year when he isn’t chasing Westbrook’s man around the perimeter and getting phased out of the offense after the first quarter.
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Norman Powell seems like a guy I would want to hold onto if I'm the Raptors. He's still relatively young (26), and if he can continue his efficient 3 point shooting (40% in 18MPG last year) over a 25-30min per game stretch (even if that drops down to 37-38%), he's on a good contract.
If I'm Toronto, I want to see as much as possible out of VanVleet/Powell/Anunoby/Siakiam. Are these guys that can excel in limited roles on a deep championship caliber team or are these guys that can be major contributors to a rebuilt Toronto team.
If I'm Toronto, I want to see as much as possible out of VanVleet/Powell/Anunoby/Siakiam. Are these guys that can excel in limited roles on a deep championship caliber team or are these guys that can be major contributors to a rebuilt Toronto team.
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Something simple
Norman powell for frank ntikina and filler
Norman powell for frank ntikina and filler
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Dr Positivity wrote:Trade 1: TOR/BOS
Toronto gets Gordon Hayward, Boston gets Marc Gasol and Norman Powell
Trade 1: TOR/OKC
Toronto gets Steven Adams, Oklahoma City gets Serge Ibaka
Raptors roster:
Kyle Lowry / Fred VanVleet
Gordon Hayward / Matt Thomas
OG Anunoby / Stanley Johnson
Pascal Siakam / Rondae Hollis-Jefferson
Steven Adams / Chris Boucher
Toronto gets younger and if Hayward bounces back gives them a much needed shooting/scoring threat. Adams can be a long term piece. Hayward and Adams both expire in 2021 which allows them to go after Giannis and other FAs
Boston goes for it with Gasol (great in a matchup against Embiid) and Kemba and gets cap relief after. OKC brings back Ibaka who can they can flip for an asset later if they are dumping Westbrook for a borderline negative value contract in Adams
I don’t see OKC adding a pick in that deal, which I would want, but I am on board with the Boston part.
Hayward is a lottery ticket. If he regains his form, then it gives Toronto a chance to continue going for it while maintaining 2021 flexibility. 2020 doesn’t offer much in the way of free agents so we’d be looking for expirings anyhow.
I believe Gasol was a 2019-only integral addition. He was the final piece, and not necessarily acquired to contribute beyond.
He and Powell are very replaceable and neither is likely to come back to haunt the Raptors in a playoff matchup.
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