Westbrook/Paul swap expanded

VIPER8382 · Post #1 » by **VIPER8382** » Fri Jul 12, 2019 4:03 pm

This seems like a no brainer to me, but why aren't they expanding this deal to add a Shump (S&T $10.3 million 1+2 fake year deal) and another 1st for Gallinari?

With that added the Thunder escape the tax, and the Rockets enter the top tier of the NBA, why not?

K_chile22 · Post #2 » by **K_chile22** » Fri Jul 12, 2019 4:35 pm

That's... A good idea. Another first is a bit heavy though. Maybe take the protections off the 2025 (as of now it's pretty much a fake swap with very little chance of conveying) swap and add a 2nd

Post #3 » by **MoneyTalks41890** » Fri Jul 12, 2019 4:37 pm

VIPER8382 wrote:This seems like a no brainer to me, but why aren't they expanding this deal to add a Shump (S&T $10.3 million 1+2 fake year deal) and another 1st for Gallinari?

With that added the Thunder escape the tax, and the Rockets enter the top tier of the NBA, why not?

Yep, I put this in my Shump thread, but:

Shump starting at 13.2 with 1 yr gtd, Nene starting at 5m with 1 year gtd, 2022 HOU 1st for Gallo

OKC ducks the tax, Houston gets an elite shooter without giving rotation guys.

gambitx777 · Post #4 » by **gambitx777** » Fri Jul 12, 2019 4:40 pm

The rockets can't afford to do any sign and trades because then they would be hard capped and they would have to salary dump half their team to get under the hard cap.

VIPER8382 wrote:This seems like a no brainer to me, but why aren't they expanding this deal to add a Shump (S&T $10.3 million 1+2 fake year deal) and another 1st for Gallinari?

With that added the Thunder escape the tax, and the Rockets enter the top tier of the NBA, why not?

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Post #5 » by **FNQ** » Fri Jul 12, 2019 4:41 pm

Love this. Clever move and very realistic.

Have to wonder if Presti believes he can get more for Gallo though, if he stays healthy? Or if he believes he can keep Gallo relatively cheap going forward

Post #6 » by **loserX** » Fri Jul 12, 2019 4:43 pm

gambitx777 wrote:The rockets can't afford to do any sign and trades because then they would be hard capped and they would have to salary dump half their team to get under the hard cap.
VIPER8382 wrote:This seems like a no brainer to me, but why aren't they expanding this deal to add a Shump (S&T $10.3 million 1+2 fake year deal) and another 1st for Gallinari?

With that added the Thunder escape the tax, and the Rockets enter the top tier of the NBA, why not?

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The hard cap only kicks in if the team *receives* a player in an S&T. Sending one out is still allowed and doesn't activate the hard cap.

K_chile22 · Post #7 » by **K_chile22** » Fri Jul 12, 2019 4:45 pm

gambitx777 wrote:The rockets can't afford to do any sign and trades because then they would be hard capped and they would have to salary dump half their team to get under the hard cap.
VIPER8382 wrote:This seems like a no brainer to me, but why aren't they expanding this deal to add a Shump (S&T $10.3 million 1+2 fake year deal) and another 1st for Gallinari?

With that added the Thunder escape the tax, and the Rockets enter the top tier of the NBA, why not?

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No, you only get hard capped if you RECEIVE a S&T player not send one out

Post #8 » by **BullyKing** » Fri Jul 12, 2019 4:47 pm

Well done by the OP

Woody Allen · Post #9 » by **Woody Allen** » Fri Jul 12, 2019 4:47 pm

Another first? I thought the Rockets already wasted every single future assets they owned on just Westbrook.

Post #10 » by **MoneyTalks41890** » Fri Jul 12, 2019 4:50 pm

Woody Allen wrote:Another first? I thought the Rockets already wasted every single future assets they owned on just Westbrook.

Still have the 2020 1st and 2022 1st.

K_chile22 · Post #11 » by **K_chile22** » Fri Jul 12, 2019 4:51 pm

Woody Allen wrote:Another first? I thought the Rockets already wasted every single future assets they owned on just Westbrook.

They just sent 2 FRP in actuality that are really far out.

The two pick swaps are mostly presser filler. They'll be better than both OKC and MIA next year in all likelihood, and the 2nd swap is top 20 protected so they'd have to be a top 10 team 5 years from now, and OKC/LAC would also have to be a top 10 teams that's better than them. The most it could realistically move is like 1-5 picks but more than likely it won't convey because the rockets will be bad by then

VIPER8382 · Post #12 » by **VIPER8382** » Fri Jul 12, 2019 4:56 pm

A super low first for Gallinari is an absolute steal, but only due to his injury past and the fact that OKC shouldn't try to win is it even an option. Check his stats last year, 20/6 with 46/90/43% from including 5.5 3 point attempts. he was a solid 1st option, but would be absolutely elite as a 3rd option.

VIPER8382 · Post #13 » by **VIPER8382** » Fri Jul 12, 2019 4:59 pm

I would say the 2020 1st would be the one to trade and cancel the pick swaps at that point. Then Houston can trade their 2021 or 2022 1st nex off seson, or their 2022 right now.

K_chile22 · Post #14 » by **K_chile22** » Fri Jul 12, 2019 5:01 pm

VIPER8382 wrote:I would say the 2020 1st would be the one to trade and cancel the pick swaps at that point. Then Houston can trade their 2021 or 2022 1st nex off seson, or their 2022 right now.

I would do that, like I said, picks swaps probably fake but getting rid of them gives more flexibility

VIPER8382 · Post #15 » by **VIPER8382** » Fri Jul 12, 2019 5:06 pm

Why hasn't this happened yet? If you put the ball in Westbrook's hands surrounded by Harden, Gallinari, Gordon, and Capella. That is utter domination, and if the defense manages to stop Westbrook, he swings it to Harden to attack a scrambling D still with a lot of shooting on the court.

K_chile22 · Post #16 » by **K_chile22** » Fri Jul 12, 2019 5:07 pm

VIPER8382 wrote:Why hasn't this happened yet. If you put the ball in Westbrook's hands surrounded by Harden, Gallinari, Gordon, and Capella. That is utter domination, and if the defense manages to stop Westbrook, he swings it to Harden to attack a scrambling D still with a lot of shooting on the court.

Maybe OKC wants to keep Gallo and be an ok team? That's all I can come up with. Or the rockets are cheap and don't wanna pay tax that big

Post #17 » by **MoneyTalks41890** » Fri Jul 12, 2019 5:07 pm

VIPER8382 wrote:Why hasn't this happened yet. If you put the ball in Westbrook's hands surrounded by Harden, Gallinari, Gordon, and Capella. That is utter domination, and if the defense manages to stop Westbrook, he swings it to Harden to attack a scrambling D still with a lot of shooting on the court.

You mean, pass the ball? Idk...

Post #18 » by **MoneyTalks41890** » Fri Jul 12, 2019 5:08 pm

K_chile22 wrote:
VIPER8382 wrote:Why hasn't this happened yet. If you put the ball in Westbrook's hands surrounded by Harden, Gallinari, Gordon, and Capella. That is utter domination, and if the defense manages to stop Westbrook, he swings it to Harden to attack a scrambling D still with a lot of shooting on the court.
Maybe OKC wants to keep Gallo and be an ok team? That's all I can come up with. Or the rockets are cheap and don't wanna pay tax that big

I think more moves happen when CP gets moved. If they are stuck with him and empty the team he'll be even more unhappy.

K_chile22 · Post #19 » by **K_chile22** » Fri Jul 12, 2019 5:14 pm

MoneyTalks41890 wrote:
K_chile22 wrote:
VIPER8382 wrote:Why hasn't this happened yet. If you put the ball in Westbrook's hands surrounded by Harden, Gallinari, Gordon, and Capella. That is utter domination, and if the defense manages to stop Westbrook, he swings it to Harden to attack a scrambling D still with a lot of shooting on the court.
Maybe OKC wants to keep Gallo and be an ok team? That's all I can come up with. Or the rockets are cheap and don't wanna pay tax that big

I think more moves happen when CP gets moved. If they are stuck with him and empty the team he'll be even more unhappy.

Could see that. Maybe both sides are waiting to rope MIA into this

red96 · Post #20 » by **red96** » Fri Jul 12, 2019 5:17 pm

Great thread and idea. Send it in.