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Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:28 pm
Rockets out: Gordon + Capela + 2022 1st
Rockets in: Love + Osman + Okogie
Cavs out: Love + Osman + Henson
Cavs in: Wiggins + Culver + 2022 Rockets 1st(unprotected) + Bucks 2020 1st
Celtics out: Smart + Bucks 2020 1st
Celtics in: Capela
Wolves out: Wiggins + Culver + Okogie
Wolves in: Eric Gordon + Smart + Henson
Rockets- Westbrook-Harden-Tucker- Osman-Love is a pretty good lineup. Plus Love and Westbrook are homies.
Cavs commit to the rebuild and get value for Love by taking a bad contract in Wiggins(maybe they can rehab him). This also cuts about 8mil off their cap immediately giving them some breathing room from the luxury tax
Celtics have their new core Kemba-Jaylen-Hayward-Tatum-Capela. Becomes a pretty complete team and they retain the memphis pick to add another potential game changer
Wolves get out of Wiggins contract and stay competitive.
Who says no?
Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:48 pm
Wolves say no pretty quickly but I'm not saying your value is off that much. That would completely diminish our Wing depth on the roster and as bad as Wiggins' contract is, I wouldn't move Culver as the cost of doing business to rid myself of Standrew. It's a very interesting proposal, though.
Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:57 pm
I'd pass. Culver is intriguing but the inclusion of Cedi and Wiggins inability to play SF kills this for the Cavs. We'd have no true PF or SF on the roster after this. None. We'd go from Cedi being our only capable wing defender to Culver (hopefully) being our only wing capable of playing defense. I'm not saying Cedi and Culver have equal trade value, but there's a chance they have pretty similar career trajectories and ceilings.
While the value is better than most Love trades posted here, the fit is just counterproductive. We'll have drafted four guards in the first round over the last two years and this has us trading for two more. We open up two holes in the starting rotation. Wiggins wouldn't be gifted playing time and who knows how he adjusts to a sixth man role.
At the end of the day, I guess this trade says to me that the Cavs are going to be really, really bad for multiple seasons. That may be the case anyway, but I'm not there yet. I'm also worried this is a leverage-yourself trade where a team with five young guards ends up selling one of them cheap down the road because there's not enough PT to go around.
Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:57 pm
Pretty sure the Cavs say No.
To move Wiggins it would probably cost Culver alone. Then you add in that the Cavs are losing Love, Osman, and Henson for 2 1sts that are likely to be late 1sts. That's just the value aspect.
Then you add in the fit. The Cavs already have a crap ton of guards and adding 2 more guards doesn't make any sense. The Cavs passed on Culver for Garland already, why take on Culver which would limit the minutes of Sexton or Garland, let alone KPJ they drafted later on as well.
So just not an overall appealing trade for the Cavs.
Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 9:16 pm
I don't think the overall value is terrible for Houston, but I think that Rockets frontcourt gets eaten alive by the Lakers, and any other team with good bigs. Im not too familiar with Osman and Okogie's games, but if neither of them are defensive stalwarts, that Rockets team would struggle to defend on the perimeter and in the paint. Any team depending on Love to anchor their defense are fools. They'd be abused in the paint every game, and utterly destroyed in the 30 games that Love will miss. Not a deal the Rockets should consider.
Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 9:50 pm
I'd be all over this if I was Cleveland.
Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 9:59 pm
I have no interest including Culver in a Wiggins trade. At this point it makes a lot more sense to let the season play out for the Wolves. I really want to see how Wiggins responds to Ryan Saunders as coach and also see how Culver and Okogie develop.
Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 10:24 pm
I appreciate that the Wolves have a trade here that isn’t trying to foist some elderly star on us, but “moving Wiggins” and “staying competitive” do not seem to be the Wolves priorities this season:
FWIW, Teague, Shabazz Napier and Covington are the other Wolves.
Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2019 1:25 am
No thanks to Kevin Love, we need more switchy defensive wings, and guys who bring energy and rebounding. Iggy would be preferable, Sefolosha for the minimum maybe. Wouldn't mind bringing back Faried if he'd come back. I don't think offensive production will be Houston's problem defense will, and Love doesn't help that.
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Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:03 am
I think Smart is more valuable then Capela.
Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:30 am
Rockets pass valuing Capela and Gordy more than incoming, Wolves pass because despite being overpaid they are better off with Wiggins than giving up the guy they drafted to replace him to move on.
Cavs get decent value but not the right position players...pass.
not sure why Celtics would do this either