I talked myself into it. Tobiaa Harris for CJ McCollum

[Crives]

CJ> Harris. If we take the contracts into account CJ >>>>> Harris.

I actually think taking contracts into account is what narrows the gap. Harris is overpaid - let's stipulate to that. But CJ is going to be overpaid on his next one in two years. The difference to me is that Harris' overpay contract covers his age 27-31 seasons while CJ's will likely cover his age 30-34 seasons.

But...
If Portland is worried about paying CJ... why not try to move him for players on better contracts then Harris.. I am sure most teams will have a level of interest in acquiring CJ.

Options shouldn’t be narrowed down to
1. trade for overpaid Harris
2. Overpay CJ

[BullyKing]

CJ> Harris. If we take the contracts into account CJ >>>>> Harris.

I actually think taking contracts into account is what narrows the gap. Harris is overpaid - let's stipulate to that. But CJ is going to be overpaid on his next one in two years. The difference to me is that Harris' overpay contract covers his age 27-31 seasons while CJ's will likely cover his age 30-34 seasons.

But...
If Portland is worried about paying CJ... why not try to move him for players on better contracts then Harris.. I am sure most teams will have a level of interest in acquiring CJ.

Options shouldn’t be narrowed down to
1. trade for overpaid Harris
2. Overpay CJ

Because other teams will presumably be leery of signing a small guard to a big contract at age 30 and value him accordingly. The reality for both teams is that their cap situation pretty much requires them to pay whatever is necessary to keep their current guys unless they're able to luck into another situation like Butler to Miami where the guy wants to go to a team that must sign and trade for him.

[Crives]

I actually think taking contracts into account is what narrows the gap. Harris is overpaid - let's stipulate to that. But CJ is going to be overpaid on his next one in two years. The difference to me is that Harris' overpay contract covers his age 27-31 seasons while CJ's will likely cover his age 30-34 seasons.

But...
If Portland is worried about paying CJ... why not try to move him for players on better contracts then Harris.. I am sure most teams will have a level of interest in acquiring CJ.

Options shouldn’t be narrowed down to
1. trade for overpaid Harris
2. Overpay CJ

Because other teams will presumably be leery of signing a small guard to a big contract at age 30 and value him accordingly. The reality for both teams is that their cap situation pretty much requires them to pay whatever is necessary to keep their current guys unless they're able to luck into another situation like Butler to Miami where the guy wants to go to a team that must sign and trade for him.

I guess I disagree.. I think many teams would be interested in CJ.

[BullyKing]

But...
If Portland is worried about paying CJ... why not try to move him for players on better contracts then Harris.. I am sure most teams will have a level of interest in acquiring CJ.

Options shouldn’t be narrowed down to
1. trade for overpaid Harris
2. Overpay CJ

Because other teams will presumably be leery of signing a small guard to a big contract at age 30 and value him accordingly. The reality for both teams is that their cap situation pretty much requires them to pay whatever is necessary to keep their current guys unless they're able to luck into another situation like Butler to Miami where the guy wants to go to a team that must sign and trade for him.

I guess I disagree.. I think many teams would be interested in CJ.

I think teams that project to have a lot of cap space in the summer of 2021 would be interested in CJ because they wouldn't tied into him. So there's definitely a nice market for him.

But I think we're kidding ourselves if we don't think we're going to be sitting here in less than two years guffawing at the team that gives a 30 year old McCollum a 5/217 contract at a starting salary almost as high as Harris' ending salary.

[basketballwacko2]

Philly sends: Harris
Portland sends: McCollum, Skal (or other filler)

Why for Philly? Makes their lineup less awkward and goes Simmons-CJ-Richardson-Horford-Embiid. (They also get a secondary creator which is nice)
Why for Portland? They commit to Simons/Hood/Baze being able to fill in for CJ and grab an all star caliber floor spacing forward to spread out their positional talent a little more.

You know that Philly just signed Harris to a big contract right?

[Mamba4Goat]

Philly sends: Harris
Portland sends: McCollum, Skal (or other filler)

Why for Philly? Makes their lineup less awkward and goes Simmons-CJ-Richardson-Horford-Embiid. (They also get a secondary creator which is nice)
Why for Portland? They commit to Simons/Hood/Baze being able to fill in for CJ and grab an all star caliber floor spacing forward to spread out their positional talent a little more.

You know that Philly just signed Harris to a big contract right?

Yes. So this would have to happen after Dec 15.

[basketballwacko2]

Philly sends: Harris
Portland sends: McCollum, Skal (or other filler)

Why for Philly? Makes their lineup less awkward and goes Simmons-CJ-Richardson-Horford-Embiid. (They also get a secondary creator which is nice)
Why for Portland? They commit to Simons/Hood/Baze being able to fill in for CJ and grab an all star caliber floor spacing forward to spread out their positional talent a little more.

You know that Philly just signed Harris to a big contract right?

Yes. So this would have to happen after Dec 15.

Yeah I still don't see it happening maybe something next summer but not until they try their team the way it is.

[expatbayern]

I think the value is pretty balanced between CJ/Harris and I can see the fit for both (CJ is a perfect backcourt mate for Simmons, PDX needs a stretch 4). But I think CJ is so loved in Portland (by FO, fans, teammates, everyone) that it'd have to be a big win to let him go (especially since Harris may be pissed about being traded right after signing).

Maybe something in a three-way where Portland also sends Bazemore and Collins to Minny for RoCo and filler, and Philly sends some asset(s) to Minny as well? Not quite sure what that whole deal looks like, but I like Dame/Hood/RoCo/Harris/Whiteside(Nurk) for PDX.

[nzahir]

whats wrong with having Harris for Phi? His 3pt shooting is on par with McCollum and while not known to be a good defender, neither is CJ, if I'm Phi I rather have the sz of Harris over Cj and Cj creates shots for himself, which isn't anything different from Harris

I feel like Portland may want a little more?

Tobias isn't shot creator for himself that CJ is. Didn't see it in playoffs, while we did for CJ

[GeorgeMarcus]

If Harris defending wings backfires then I can see this for both teams

[Arsenal]

Sixers should do this for the luxury tax savings alone. There is about a $7M/yr gap over the next 2 years which would really help their finances.

But I've been critical of the Tobias trade right from the start. He's nowhere near worth what he's paid now.

CJ is just as good and a better fit, plus cheaper, so I'd be all over it.

[brackdan70]

I can't be the only one who much prefers CJ McCollum to Tobias Harris, can I?

I am with you. CJ is a better value and a better player. Not that Harris is bad or anything but Philly has to add value to make this worth it for Portland imo.

[Alatan]

CJ> Harris. If we take the contracts into account CJ >>>>> Harris.

I actually think taking contracts into account is what narrows the gap. Harris is overpaid - let's stipulate to that. But CJ is going to be overpaid on his next one in two years. The difference to me is that Harris' overpay contract covers his age 27-31 seasons while CJ's will likely cover his age 30-34 seasons.

There is some truth there but we dont really know what is CJs contract going to be. Even if he does get a max of witch those last two years are going to hurt, you still have him on a good deal for 2 seasons and then you can decide if you want to have him even longer on a bad deal.

[Coeur]

Portland wouldn’t even think about that

[Aussiepiston1]

Give me whatever some of you are smoking hahaha Harris is a year younger than Mccollum and was playing better than him last year until He was misused in Philly.
We got rid of Butler to feature Harris and paid him a near Max contract so there's no way we're trading him for Mccollum let alone adding assets hahaha
Mccollum is good and I wanted him on the sixers before we got Harris but no way Sixers touch this.

[BlazersBroncos]

Am I a hughe homer for seeing CJ as a low tier #2 option / high tier #3 option, while Tobias is a middle tier #3 option?

They have similar stats, but if I need a bucked I trust CJ to create one far, far more than Tobias.

Portland is only dealing CJ for a pure win type of deal. This is miles from that.

[Chris76]

Mcollom has more value then Harris, Picks need to go to Portland, this is not a bad idea just not fairly balanced, I think both teams could be better after a swap but I don't think Harris is worth the contract he got, I don't really think he is a max player, He is a 20-22 million a year player not a 30 million a year player. Long contract that might be an anchor in years 4 and 5. I get why portland might be enticed with picks but straight up no way.

Harris is a really good fit with Simmons. Harris struggled against PFs. Hopefully, Sixers can help him at SF, if needed.

CJ would play the same role as Richardson. Sixers have some young defensive specialists with Zhaire and Thybulle that could fit nicely.

CJ is really talented, but Harris provides excellent spot up shooting which should be very beneficial.

[BlazersBroncos]

CJ is really talented, but Harris provides excellent spot up shooting which should be very beneficial.

Last season CJ was actually a better catch/shoot 3PT at 39% vs 38%. He can both creat for himself off the dribble at a very good rate, and is a better catch and shooter than Tobias.

Rebounding and defense is where Tobias is clearly ahead, albeit he isnt a great defender either (And should struggle more this season trying to guard SFs).

[MotownMadness]

Would rather have CJ, Harris is nice but you can't put the ball in his hands and have him create his own buckets like McCollum can.

[BullyKing]

Am I a hughe homer for seeing CJ as a low tier #2 option / high tier #3 option, while Tobias is a middle tier #3 option?

They have similar stats, but if I need a bucked I trust CJ to create one far, far more than Tobias.

Portland is only dealing CJ for a pure win type of deal. This is miles from that.

Yes and no. In the abstract CJ has more value than Harris though in the same general range.

And you're definitely right that CJ has much more ability to create his own bucket while Harris has the edge on defense (slightly below average vs. bad but not horrific).

I think they each have their own strengths and weaknesses and I think the reason the OP thought of the swap is that I do think their respective strengths and weaknesses might make more sense on the other team:

Portland: could probably use a defensive upgrade and someone less reliant on touches to play off ball with Dame
Philly: could withstand CJ's defense given the rest of the lineup and has more of a need for CJ's creation abilities.