Jaylen Brown to Houston

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Re: Jaylen Brown to Houston 

Post#21 » by Patsfan1081 » Sun Aug 11, 2019 4:28 am

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babyjax13 wrote:... while Boston clarifies their rotation, making room for Hayward/Tatum/Smart and the rookies to play the bulk of the minutes on the wings.


Wait what? I don't get this, why has the rotation to be clarified? Boston will play small line ups all season, out of necessity and by design. Ainge build the rosters since he hired Stevens with one pattern in mind, one ball handler, three wings and one big man.

2017/18 opening night starting five: Irving - Brown - Hayward - Tatum - Horford
2018/19 opening night starting five: Irving - Brown - Hayward - Tatum - Horford
2019/20 projected starting five: Walker - Brown - Hayward - Tatum - Kanter/Theis

There is some consistency here. While Brown may be the player to be traded in the future, it won't be for picks and bit players. He only will be traded for a clear upgrade, otherwise i think consistency will prevail.




I guess I see Tatum being most effective as a 3? I could be completely wrong. Also, I guess I'm projecting that 2022 pick to be higher than others are, and someone maxing Brown (which Boston might not match). IDK. Anunoby might be more realistic, then.


Problem is Boston doesn't have a starting 4. I don't see Brown getting maxed either unless he has a really good season, which in turn you would then want to pay him.
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Re: Jaylen Brown to Houston 

Post#22 » by dive135 » Sun Aug 11, 2019 12:17 pm

With all the turmoil last year, if I am the Celtics I roll the dice and see if the new year sees him show some of the promise he did the year before. His value is pretty low, and if anything should make it easier for the Celtics to resign him on a reasonable deal. I also don't see Ainge trading him for a few late 1sts.
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Re: Jaylen Brown to Houston 

Post#23 » by 100proof » Sun Aug 11, 2019 12:22 pm

Danny wouldnt include brown in a kawhi deal.

But nene and a couple of trash firsts?
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Re: Jaylen Brown to Houston 

Post#24 » by VDT » Sun Aug 11, 2019 1:40 pm

The trade doesnt make sense. A large part of Brown' s value is in his potential. Houston wants to compete right now.
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Re: Jaylen Brown to Houston 

Post#25 » by brackdan70 » Sun Aug 11, 2019 1:40 pm

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babyjax13 wrote:... while Boston clarifies their rotation, making room for Hayward/Tatum/Smart and the rookies to play the bulk of the minutes on the wings.


Wait what? I don't get this, why has the rotation to be clarified? Boston will play small line ups all season, out of necessity and by design. Ainge build the rosters since he hired Stevens with one pattern in mind, one ball handler, three wings and one big man.

2017/18 opening night starting five: Irving - Brown - Hayward - Tatum - Horford
2018/19 opening night starting five: Irving - Brown - Hayward - Tatum - Horford
2019/20 projected starting five: Walker - Brown - Hayward - Tatum - Kanter/Theis

There is some consistency here. While Brown may be the player to be traded in the future, it won't be for picks and bit players. He only will be traded for a clear upgrade, otherwise i think consistency will prevail.

Precisely. The Why for the Celtics doesn’t make any sense.

If Brown is traded it will be in a package to get a better player, not for a couple late first round picks

On paper the value of the OP may be fair given Brown is an RFA but his potential is still far greater than that package. I don’t think the Cs are concerned about paying either.
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Re: Jaylen Brown to Houston 

Post#26 » by dakomish23 » Sun Aug 11, 2019 6:37 pm

Jaylen has more value than this.
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Re: Jaylen Brown to Houston 

Post#27 » by BoogieTime » Sun Aug 11, 2019 7:40 pm

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babyjax13 wrote:
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Wait what? I don't get this, why has the rotation to be clarified? Boston will play small line ups all season, out of necessity and by design. Ainge build the rosters since he hired Stevens with one pattern in mind, one ball handler, three wings and one big man.

2017/18 opening night starting five: Irving - Brown - Hayward - Tatum - Horford
2018/19 opening night starting five: Irving - Brown - Hayward - Tatum - Horford
2019/20 projected starting five: Walker - Brown - Hayward - Tatum - Kanter/Theis

There is some consistency here. While Brown may be the player to be traded in the future, it won't be for picks and bit players. He only will be traded for a clear upgrade, otherwise i think consistency will prevail.




I guess I see Tatum being most effective as a 3? I could be completely wrong. Also, I guess I'm projecting that 2022 pick to be higher than others are, and someone maxing Brown (which Boston might not match). IDK. Anunoby might be more realistic, then.


Problem is Boston doesn't have a starting 4. I don't see Brown getting maxed either unless he has a really good season, which in turn you would then want to pay him.


They don’t have a starting 5 either
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Re: Jaylen Brown to Houston 

Post#28 » by nate33 » Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:10 pm

Magic_Johnny12 wrote:PLENTY of teams could and will beat this offer.

I don't know if that's true.

Jaylen Brown is a good player to be sure, but he's about to get a market value contract when he hits free agency. Jaylen Brown making $20M+ a year doesn't have all THAT much trade value. Theoretically, in an efficient market, he will sign a contract that makes him pretty close to neutral value.

This is like the situation the Wizards experienced with Otto Porter. Porter is a very good player, but he's not much of a trade chip when he is on a max contract.

I kinda like the premise for this trade. Houston gets a good player with a low cap value this year. And they don't mind paying a fortune to keep him next year because they're in a win-now stance.
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Re: Jaylen Brown to Houston 

Post#29 » by Woody Allen » Mon Aug 12, 2019 12:02 am

Jaylen Brown wouldn't fit next to Westbrook to justify this, which isn't entirely Brown's fault. But this trade isn't worth it for Houston.
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Re: Jaylen Brown to Houston 

Post#30 » by Prokorov » Mon Aug 12, 2019 2:07 am

babyjax13 wrote:I've been wondering why we haven't seen anything with Iman Shumpert or Nene, and I think the answer is that Houston is $5.3 million below the tax apron. This leaves them just enough room to grab a player recently drafted to fill out their depth chart [they have some ung. players they can cut to push this up to about $16.1 million...but I don't think they want to cut all these players). Two names stuck out to me (as potential PJ Tucker "replacements"): OG Anunoby and Jaylen Brown. Went with Brown, as he's a bit more of a complete product.

Boston trades: Jaylen Brown
Houston trades: Nene/Shumpert, 2020 HOU 1st, 2022 HOU 1st

Protections would obviously be negotiated, but I expect both picks to be unprotected. Houston adds a young player that can be a pretty decent third option for them, while Boston clarifies their rotation, making room for Hayward/Tatum/Smart and the rookies to play the bulk of the minutes on the wings.

Houston rotation:
Capela/Chandler/Faried (if resigned)
Tucker/Brown/Hartenstein
Brown/House/Green
Harden/Gordon
Westbrook/Harden/Rivers


does brown command 2 firsts? in his walk year where whoever aquires him is either looking at a rental or overpaying a young guy on potential? 2022 is supposed to be loaded also.

would need to be steep protections. maybe the 2022 is top 20 protected 3 years and then becomes 2 seconds?
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Re: Jaylen Brown to Houston 

Post#31 » by Prospect Dong » Mon Aug 12, 2019 4:55 am

Djh7475 wrote:Celtics already have 2 extra future 1sts (the Memphis one being a likely top 5 pick) along with a recent influx of youth as well as youth that we’re focusing on as focal points of our present future (which is where Jaylen falls). Carsen Edwards, Romeo Langford, Jaylen Brown, Jayson Tatum, Robert Williams, Grant Williams, and Semi Ojeleye are all young guys we believe in and expect to grow. Trading a young 2-way starting wing that we love for scrubs and future 1sts isn’t anything we’d be interested in.

All we need is an elite defensive young 5 like Capella which is what we’re hoping Robert Williams turns into, so him not being included makes the Celtics worse in the short and long term. I don’t see where this deal makes sense on any level.


This is like calling the Sacramento first a likely top 5 pick, but less accurate. The pick literally cannot be top 5 next year, so you're projecting the Grizzlies record for the next two years and assuming both of them will be worse than last season, even once they have no incentive to tank. That's certainly possible, but feels really overconfident. It's very, very rare for unprotected picks to end up in the top 5, even when the team is pretty uninspiring on paper - see the nets, kings and lakers picks, all of which were supposed to be top 5 and ended up late lotto.
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Re: Jaylen Brown to Houston 

Post#32 » by red96 » Mon Aug 12, 2019 2:19 pm

Jaylen Brown has some talent, but for 2 1sts and soon to be a RFA? I not so sure about that. I love, no, like his potential, but any team trading for him better be ready to pay him $25 million+ per year for that potential in that extremely weak 2020 FA(Kyle Lowry, Milsap, Whiteside, Parsons).
1 year of role player level play isnt worth 2 picks, and I doubt id want Brown on his next contract.

I could see why Boston wouldn't be interested either. They'd want tangible talent to fill their holes right now.
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Re: Jaylen Brown to Houston 

Post#33 » by Asif16 » Mon Aug 12, 2019 2:21 pm

Jaylen Brown is not a good player but this offer still seems to low.

Boston doesnt do it
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Re: Jaylen Brown to Houston 

Post#34 » by BarbaGrizz » Mon Aug 12, 2019 3:53 pm

28 other teams can present a better offer.
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Post#35 » by MoneyTalks41890 » Mon Aug 12, 2019 3:58 pm

I don't get the idea of a young wing to Houston. They are all in right now with Russ, Harden, and key role players in their primes. They shouldn't be giving more value for an upside play, they should marshal together what value they can for vets that fit.
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Re: Jaylen Brown to Houston 

Post#36 » by Gant » Mon Aug 12, 2019 10:09 pm

This is from Smitty's column from a few weeks ago, and shows how unlikely the Celtics are to deal Brown at this point:

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· Opposing executive on Brown: “That’s the guy we wanted to steal. Our thought was ‘They have (Jayson) Tatum and (Gordon) Hayward and drafted another wing, maybe they are out on Brown’ and boy were we wrong. The conversation got about as far as the ‘Jay’ sound out of my mouth and they said ‘Neither Jayson or Jaylen are on the table for you’. So, yeah. They love that kid.”


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Re: Jaylen Brown to Houston 

Post#37 » by Higgs Boston » Mon Aug 12, 2019 10:43 pm

Why you don't create a thread where donovan mitchell or bogdanovic is traded for trash? this is exactly what you are doing but with the players of other teams.
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Post#38 » by psman2 » Mon Aug 12, 2019 11:10 pm

Higgs Boston wrote:Why you don't create a thread where donovan mitchell or bogdanovic is traded for trash? this is exactly what you are doing but with the players of other teams.


Two 1sts for a player that so far has never posted a positive BPM and played at replacement level last year is not some criminal underpay. Bogdanovic couldn't pull two 1sts either and Mitchell is on a different level than Brown.

Brown simply is not worth two 1sts with what he has shown and if he was actually worth those 2 1sts then Boston would be keeping him regardless since he would be a building piece for their future at that point.
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Re: Jaylen Brown to Houston 

Post#39 » by Higgs Boston » Tue Aug 13, 2019 1:47 am

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Higgs Boston wrote:Why you don't create a thread where donovan mitchell or bogdanovic is traded for trash? this is exactly what you are doing but with the players of other teams.


Two 1sts for a player that so far has never posted a positive BPM and played at replacement level last year is not some criminal underpay. Bogdanovic couldn't pull two 1sts either and Mitchell is on a different level than Brown.

Brown simply is not worth two 1sts with what he has shown and if he was actually worth those 2 1sts then Boston would be keeping him regardless since he would be a building piece for their future at that point.


- Advanced stats like bpm aren't representative, it's not so bad as most defensive stats but it's not something real, and using bpm he has positive bpm in the playoffs the last two session, pretty sure teams are focused and interested in RS and not in playoffs.
- Brown was a starter in the first quarter of the season and also in the playoffs.
- Of course he worth more than this garbage, go to find young players that did what he has done in the playoffs, you will find very few.
- He is a part of the core, Celtics will keep brown. celtics don't want to trade him.
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Re: Jaylen Brown to Houston 

Post#40 » by NuggetsWY » Tue Aug 13, 2019 12:25 pm

Trading away the best player in a deal is seldom popular with fans or coaches or GMs. Brown is clearly the best player in the OP. While Ainge loves to collect 1sts, there is no way he trades Brown for this deal. Ainge collects those 1sts looking for players like Brown. If Brown never becomes the next GOAT, Boston can live with that. He fits a lot of slots and can & will play 2nd or 3rd option quite nicely.

On the other hand, without a doubt Houston would be getting a much better player and they are in a contend-now mode but ... as has been pointed out, Brown is not the ideal fit on their roster. This would be a nice deal for them, might be the best they can get IMO; but it just doesn't seem like the right deal for them. It's a future move more than a now move.

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