rugbyrugger23 wrote:azwfan wrote:rugbyrugger23 wrote:You can’t really think that is fair value?
Murray to Magic could work, just not ideal with him about to be paid, and not that 23/24 is old by any means, just not as ideal as full rookie contracts and draft picks with where this trade takes them.
Culver and say #17 overall is very fair value for Gordon.
You may think Culver and #17 (which is almost the best case scenario) for Gordon is good value... but i don't. I find it terrible value. Unless AG got injured and I wasn't aware? Or demanded to be traded? I'd rather have Gordon by a considerable amount. Mid to late 1sts and unproven rookies in a flat & weak draft class don't exactly jump start a rebuild effort.
Additionally, I still can't figure out why the Magic would want to trade 23 yo Gordon even if they aren't making the playoffs. If the Magic are going to be tearing down and starting over, its going to be Ross, Vucevic, and Fournier that are dealt. Gordon is kept or dealt for a better fit or packaged with other assets for an available star.
If in 6 months Culver looks like a really nice player - then it may look better, but at this point... its really quite a bit off.
I think you are confusing personal choice vs. value. On the flip side I would say the flat draft myth is just you trying to drive down value of recent #7 overall.
If I am buying a house and don’t like the color or any features of my personal choice, I can try claiming the value is not worth what the market will bear — but the market is the market. If someone’s are lined up to say the house is worth asking price — you saying that it isn’t is just a personal choice.
This thread isn’t about trading Vooch (who would have some value), Fournier (negative value) or Ross (negative value), who if Magic tear It down probably try and move as well. Don’t know a thread had to involve the entire organization course of action.
Added: in any draft, #7 overall for Gordon on draft day is a overpay. Since the “drive off the lot” value and a player being attached (vs. Magic getting to draft who they may prefer if not Culver) I can see the need for more value — hence the 1st being added.
No, you are confusing your opinion with fact. Once again, all evidence suggests the Magic aren't interested in this offer. Had they been interested, they would have traded with the Suns at the time of the draft and Magic fans don't seem to hot on it either. That should tell you all you need to know about "fair" value.