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So I think that the Clips could still benefit from getting another center, and I think that the Grizzlies can still benefit from tearing it down further.

LAC out: Harkless, Robinson, Kabengele, 2020 LAC 1st

MEM out: Jonas V, Crowder

Clippers get a big body center. Grizzlies get assets. The trade would be broken up to make the money work, or McGruder could be added. Grizzlies then trade Harkless and Iggy for additional assets.

Beverly/Shamet
PG/Lou
Kawhi/Crowder
Harrell/Green/PPat
Jonas V/Zubac

Ja Morant/Tyus/Melton
Brooks/Robinson/Allen
Anderson/Jackson
Clarke/Raab/Bruno
JJJ/Kabengele/Plumlee

Zubac has the ability to put up similar numbers to Jonas and feel as LAC has faith in his potential.

I like Crowder, but giving up a FRP is the deal breaker for me here.

Not really questioning value here, nothing outrageous. But I think it misses why I think Val was signed.

With JJJ moving between the 4 and 5, Memphis can run out big lineups with Val and JJJ and small and very athletic lineups with JJJ, Clarke and Morant.

The trade removes this lineup flexibility for some not terribly exciting prospects.

SmokeyPaw wrote:Not really questioning value here, nothing outrageous. But I think it misses why I think Val was signed.

With JJJ moving between the 4 and 5, Memphis can run out big lineups with Val and JJJ and small and very athletic lineups with JJJ, Clarke and Morant.

The trade removes this lineup flexibility for some not terribly exciting prospects.

I think that is 100% their plan. If we did do this trade though, we could resign Noah or have Plumlee fill in when we want to play JJJ at the 4. It isn't like we are going to be good the next couple years so the downgrade from JV wouldn't be as big of a deal though your point stands.

I don't see Jonas having this kind of value over Zu for the 20-24 minutes Zu will be playing this year and Trez/Green/PPat/Mot soaking up the rest.

Jonas isn't going to be a difference maker to this point, and simply isn't worth the last two FRPs the FO made, on top of another

ejftw wrote:I don't see Jonas having this kind of value over Zu for the 20-24 minutes Zu will be playing this year and Trez/Green/PPat/Mot soaking up the rest.

Jonas isn't going to be a difference maker to this point, and simply isn't worth the last two FRPs the FO made, on top of another

I’m still quite skeptical on the PPat signing he shouldn’t see the floor for a contending team. Especially with the depth LA already has. It depends on what kind of team they want to put out there. Run and gun or a more deliberate offense now that GS is decimated. But Jonas is better than all the other bigs. Zubac is very promising and should be good now and in the future but I’m not waiting on him if I’m LAC. Time is now. Harrell is very underrated but Jonas has had a resurgence on defense and is still just very big. It’s just an idea.

I like this deal for both teams.

I think you guys are underrating JV. He'll help you get homecourt advantage while you load manage the stars.

I think LAC would be better off using these assets for a center that can space the floor.

Crives wrote:I think LAC would be better off using these assets for a center that can space the floor.

Yes that would be a better fit for sure and I thought about that. But they can always go small with Green or Harrell. Who is available for these assets that can actually space the floor? I’d argue they are less impactful overall. Someone like Dedmon for example. Myles Turner totally unattainable.

MoneyTalks41890 wrote:

Crives wrote:I think LAC would be better off using these assets for a center that can space the floor.

Yes that would be a better fit for sure and I thought about that. But they can always go small with Green or Harrell. Who is available for these assets that can actually space the floor? I’d argue they are less impactful overall. Someone like Dedmon for example. Myles Turner totally unattainable.

I don’t want the suns to trade Baynes but he might be a good option depending how the suns season goes.

What about Marc Gasol or Ibaka?

I like this deal for the Clippers. I think it makes them better now (but probably hurts in the long term). Since they are in a win-now mode, that works.

I like this even more for Memphis. They acquire some young talent but I don't think the trade works cap-wise.

Crives wrote:

MoneyTalks41890 wrote:

Crives wrote:I think LAC would be better off using these assets for a center that can space the floor.

Yes that would be a better fit for sure and I thought about that. But they can always go small with Green or Harrell. Who is available for these assets that can actually space the floor? I’d argue they are less impactful overall. Someone like Dedmon for example. Myles Turner totally unattainable.

I don’t want the suns to trade Baynes but he might be a good option depending how the suns season goes.

What about Marc Gasol or Ibaka?

You aren't wrong about the spacing portion, but I think Crowder is a nice part of this deal. His presence helps with the load management in the RS and adds to Doc's options in the playoffs. How would you replace him in this deal? Or maybe you value him less for the Clippers?

Crives wrote:

MoneyTalks41890 wrote:

Crives wrote:I think LAC would be better off using these assets for a center that can space the floor.

Yes that would be a better fit for sure and I thought about that. But they can always go small with Green or Harrell. Who is available for these assets that can actually space the floor? I’d argue they are less impactful overall. Someone like Dedmon for example. Myles Turner totally unattainable.

I don’t want the suns to trade Baynes but he might be a good option depending how the suns season goes.

What about Marc Gasol or Ibaka?

Matching salary becomes a problem, but I think this could work:

Harkless, Robinson, McGruder, FS center, min player for Gasol I think just barely works. But that’s a lot of pieces to give up.

Also Harkless, McGruder, FS C for Ibaka I think works. Might need a min. Then do Robinson, min for Crowder.

NuggetsWY wrote:I like this deal for the Clippers. I think it makes them better now (but probably hurts in the long term). Since they are in a win-now mode, that works.

I like this even more for Memphis. They acquire some young talent but I don't think the trade works cap-wise.

Doing this in my head but I think Harkless is a little over 11 so plus 5 and they can take back Jonas Vs 16. Then do Robinson, FS C, pick for Crowder which works.

While I don’t contest this is probably a fair trade, on a personal level JV while not fitting in the long term plans of Memphis more than likely, is 100% the guy I wanted for years if we didn’t have Gasol, even thought we should have targeted as far back as the Rudy trade, as luck would have it we ended up getting him in the very trade to send out Gasol. Would be a shame to see him leave so quickly.

Crives wrote:

MoneyTalks41890 wrote:

Crives wrote:I think LAC would be better off using these assets for a center that can space the floor.

Yes that would be a better fit for sure and I thought about that. But they can always go small with Green or Harrell. Who is available for these assets that can actually space the floor? I’d argue they are less impactful overall. Someone like Dedmon for example. Myles Turner totally unattainable.

I don’t want the suns to trade Baynes but he might be a good option depending how the suns season goes.

What about Marc Gasol or Ibaka?

Toronto doesn't want any of those assets that The Clippers are offering. Guys like Harkless, McGruder and anything outside Shamet aren't appealing to us. Masai said that this guys aren't going for tanking pieces. I don't think we take Harrell because of the fit as well. He's due to get paid and plays the same position as Siakam.

Mr Swagtastic wrote:

Crives wrote:

MoneyTalks41890 wrote:
Yes that would be a better fit for sure and I thought about that. But they can always go small with Green or Harrell. Who is available for these assets that can actually space the floor? I’d argue they are less impactful overall. Someone like Dedmon for example. Myles Turner totally unattainable.

I don’t want the suns to trade Baynes but he might be a good option depending how the suns season goes.

What about Marc Gasol or Ibaka?

Toronto doesn't want any of those assets that The Clippers are offering. Guys like Harkless, McGruder and anything outside Shamet aren't appealing to us. Masai said that this guys aren't going for tanking pieces. I don't think we take Harrell because of the fit as well. He's due to get paid and plays the same position as Siakam.

Disagree the 2020 pick and the FS center should be enough Toronto doesn’t really have a good ceiling and they should embrace some value for exps

I'd like to hold onto JV for memphis - he's a useful bridge to the future and could probably be resigned and play a significant role on our good team, assuming we hit on either JA or the next lotto pick.

But this is probably just enough value that I'm willing to send him out and fill those big C minutes with whoever else we can find. I think it's a pretty good trade for both sides - though I can see why you'd disagree if you think Zubac is more than a flash in the pan. I'd probably bet against that, but I'm no expert.

MoneyTalks41890 wrote:

Mr Swagtastic wrote:

Crives wrote:
I don’t want the suns to trade Baynes but he might be a good option depending how the suns season goes.

What about Marc Gasol or Ibaka?

Toronto doesn't want any of those assets that The Clippers are offering. Guys like Harkless, McGruder and anything outside Shamet aren't appealing to us. Masai said that this guys aren't going for tanking pieces. I don't think we take Harrell because of the fit as well. He's due to get paid and plays the same position as Siakam.

Disagree the 2020 pick and the FS center should be enough Toronto doesn’t really have a good ceiling and they should embrace some value for exps

2020 draft isn't looking good. I don't see many middle of the pack players who are going to be great. There are decent players but IMHO I am not moving Gasol for glut. We don't need Harkless when we have Anunoby and Hollis-Jefferson and we don't need McGruder especially with his 2 extra years at $6 million when we have Powell, Davis, McCaw and Stanley Johnson. Drawing a blank what or who is this FS center?