Who Says No First? Hield/Barnes for M. Turner/McDermott

[bpcox05]

Why for IND? The Pacers move Sabonis to their full time C while improving their wing rotation. (Brogdon, Oladipo, Hield, Lamb, Barnes, & Warren is very solid 1-4).

Why for SAC? The Kings get a C who is on the same age timeline as Fox & Bagley, and he complements Bagley very well with his shooting and rim protection. Bogdanovic would slide in as the starting SG giving them another player who can handle the ball and make a play for a teammate while still being a great floor spacer for the rest of the team. Ariza would slide in as the starting SF with McDermott backing him up. The Kings would also have the ability to offer a max deal to a FA in 2021 with Fox, Bogdanovic, Bagley, & Turner under contract.

[Mykhyn]

I don't think Hield is the right fit for Pacers.

Bagley would be a lot more interesting

[bpcox05]

I don't think Hield is the right fit for Pacers.

Bagley would be a lot more interesting

I also just realized that this is nowhere close on salaries anyways so don't know what I was thinking...

[bpcox05]

Updated the premise of the trade so salaries work now.

[giberish]

If the thingamajig is never returning to Indy then it makes some sense. Otherwise Olidipo is a better SG then Heild, and Lamb can also play minutes there effectively.

A Bagley for Turner based deal would have been a better fit - though easier to do early in the offseason (no matching salaries needed and the Kings could sign a PF rather then Deadman).

[GQ Hot Dog]

If the thingamajig is never returning to Indy then it makes some sense. Otherwise Olidipo is a better SG then Heild, and Lamb can also play minutes there effectively.

A Bagley for Turner based deal would have been a better fit - though easier to do early in the offseason (no matching salaries needed and the Kings could sign a PF rather then Deadman).

There isn't anyone on the Pacers that gets Bagley.

[Coeur]

This makes no sense to trade value for another 6-3 SG. Oladipo is their best player so they can’t trade one of their big guys for a small SG.

If oladipo is commited to playing PG then I’ll do it

[pacers33granger]

Both probably say no unless Sacramento is weary of paying Buddy and want to keep Bogdanovic. Turner would be an awesome fit for them though. Would almost seem to make more sense to loop Dedmon in somehow, maybe even to a 3rd team, unless they're ok paying that kind of money to a bench big.

I would absolutely love Buddy, but we don't have a need/room for another SG/SF and Turner is a huge part of what we do. Our defense likely falls off a cliff without him. I'm a Barnes fan, but a Barnes/Domas frontcourt is all sorts of bad defensively and that issue is further compounded starting Buddy/Warren until Vic gets back, but even then that's still a bad defensive lineup.

And while we would have two starting level players versus one and a bench player, we go from $25 mil a year to somewhere in the vicinity of $50 mil or more once Buddy gets paid. Would also be a pain to have two of the top RFAs going into a terrible FA class and be forced to match any offers or else we'd end up with just Turner for Barnes (yikes) and/or only Goga a year after having 3 promising young centers.

[Scoot McGroot]

This makes no sense to trade value for another 6-3 SG. Oladipo is their best player so they can’t trade one of their big guys for a small SG.

If oladipo is commited to playing PG then I’ll do it

Oladipo isn’t even considering playing PG. He’s talked consistently of Brogdon being the PG.

Hield is a nice player, but not at all a consideration while we have Oladipo. It’s similar to the Beal to Indy ideas that popped up once or twice. Great player, just not a need in anyway and plays the exact same position, and only the same position, as our best star player.

We’re really ok with what we have. If anything, when Oladipo comes back we may look to trade a surplus wing for more of a true 4/3 player, but not gonna give up one of our best players to do so. Turner looks like he's figured out what he should do: block shots and shoot the 3.

[Topofthekey]

Ok, to be fair, value wise it's not that far off

It's just that the fit is really bad for the Pacers

Hield goes to the bench once Oladipo returns; even if we entertain this idea, and admittedly having Hield off the bench as a 6th man is a great luxury, would Hield want to commit to a bench role? He'll probably just walk in free agency and look for a bigger role elsewhere

As the poster above me pointed out, Pacers actually has a glut at the SF/SG position

SF: Warren / McDermott / Alize Johnson
SG: Oladipo / Lamb / Sumner / Justin Holiday

They'll like to either do a consolidation trade where they get a better starting SF than Warren, or shift some of their depth at SF/SG to PF/SF - for crying out loud Jakarr Sampson is getting playing time at PF for them now with TJ Leaf and Goga Bitadze both bothered by injuries

[basketballwacko2]

Why for IND? The Pacers move Sabonis to their full time C while improving their wing rotation. (Brogdon, Oladipo, Hield, Lamb, Barnes, & Warren is very solid 1-4).

Why for SAC? The Kings get a C who is on the same age timeline as Fox & Bagley, and he complements Bagley very well with his shooting and rim protection. Bogdanovic would slide in as the starting SG giving them another player who can handle the ball and make a play for a teammate while still being a great floor spacer for the rest of the team. Ariza would slide in as the starting SF with McDermott backing him up. The Kings would also have the ability to offer a max deal to a FA in 2021 with Fox, Bogdanovic, Bagley, & Turner under contract.

Pacers say hell no! Turner is on a good contract, led the NBA in Blocked shots last year, he's getting better only 23. Hield is a good player but he's a SG we have 3-4 guys to play SG until Vic comes back.

[basketballwacko2]

This makes no sense to trade value for another 6-3 SG. Oladipo is their best player so they can’t trade one of their big guys for a small SG.

If oladipo is commited to playing PG then I’ll do it

Oladipo isn’t even considering playing PG. He’s talked consistently of Brogdon being the PG.

Hield is a nice player, but not at all a consideration while we have Oladipo. It’s similar to the Beal to Indy ideas that popped up once or twice. Great player, just not a need in anyway and plays the exact same position, and only the same position, as our best star player.

We’re really ok with what we have. If anything, when Oladipo comes back we may look to trade a surplus wing for more of a true 4/3 player, but not gonna give up one of our best players to do so. Turner looks like he's figured out what he should do: block shots and shoot the 3.

I agree with you on that last paragraph for sure. I am fine with the team we have heading into the season. Unless someone wants to give us a stud for a little bit of nothing I don't see any trades.

The Pacers have over achieved the last couple years when no one expected anything. This team looks solid even if Vic does not come back till 2021.

[JRoy]

Turner is a very nice two way player. Have a hard time seeing Indy give him up for Hield.

[winter_mute_13]

Non starter for the Pacers. Even if they do trade Turner (very unlikely IMO), this trade doesn't work position wise.

FYI for trade board regulars: the official plan is to start Sabonis at PF alongside Turner. Obviously, plans made in the offseason can unravel once the actual season starts, but I'd expect they'd give it a few months at least. Please hold your trade proposals until then.

[NuggetsWY]

I'd say it's a race to who says no first. Sacramento doesn't need Turner and Indianapolis does. That'll be the biggest issue.

[sacking123]

The Pacers say no first. Buddy would put their roster balance into a tailspin.
I don’t mind this for the Kings because I have a lot of faith in Bogy being a starter in the NBA. Buddy still has loads of room left in his game, but Turner fits the timeline like a glove.
Dedmon would need to be offloaded as well in a trade for a glue guy SF IMO.


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[Wizop]

There is a difference between overachieving and being under estimated.

Pacers are going to play Turner and Sabonis together and see what happens. No reason to do a significant trade until after we know if they can start together.

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[jbk1234]

I could eventually see one of the Pacers big men being moved for a good SF, but that's not Barnes.

[kb02]

Both say no. Indy is building a bruising team (size 1 through 5), which is anchored by Turner and Sabonis. I really like the Brogdon fit, btw.

Kings are going to be running 4 out, which is anchored by above average 3 point shooting. Hield is the team's best shooter.