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Sacramento and Minnesota
Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 6:07 am
by Domejandro
Assuming Sacramento and Buddy cannot come to an agreement. Pick becomes unprotected in 2021.
MIN: Buddy Hield
OUT: Josh Okogie, Jaylen Nowell, and Minnesota's 2020 First Round Draft Pick (Top Four Protected)
Why for Minnesota? The team's shooting is absolutely abysmal, and Buddy immediately fixes that. Followed by giving the dude his 110MM extension.
SAC: Josh Okogie, Jaylen Nowell, and Minnesota's 2020 First Round Draft Pick (Top Four Protected)
OUT: Buddy Hield
Why for Sacramento? Get two cost-controlled, young wings and a (likely) mid-to-late lottery pick.
Re: Sacramento and Minnesota
Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 6:10 am
by MoneyTalks41890
Way too light for the Kings. For Buddy it’s definitely RoCo and a 1st.
Re: Sacramento and Minnesota
Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 6:24 am
by The Beam King
MoneyTalks41890 wrote:Way too light for the Kings. For Buddy it’s definitely RoCo and a 1st.
Even that feels light. I really don't see the Kings moving on from Buddy.
This is more click bait occurring than anything else.
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Re: Sacramento and Minnesota
Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 6:28 am
by MoneyTalks41890
Hield of Dreams wrote:MoneyTalks41890 wrote:Way too light for the Kings. For Buddy it’s definitely RoCo and a 1st.
Even that feels light. I really don't see the Kings moving on from Buddy.
This is more click bait occurring than anything else.
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Yeah I get it as someone who had to deal with endless rumors and big shifts. FWIW I like the idea of moving Bogdan, but only to get cost controlled complimentary players.
Re: Sacramento and Minnesota
Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 6:30 am
by The Beam King
MoneyTalks41890 wrote:Hield of Dreams wrote:MoneyTalks41890 wrote:Way too light for the Kings. For Buddy it’s definitely RoCo and a 1st.
Even that feels light. I really don't see the Kings moving on from Buddy.
This is more click bait occurring than anything else.
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Yeah I get it as someone who had to deal with endless rumors and big shifts. FWIW I like the idea of moving Bogdan, but only to get cost controlled complimentary players.
I prefer to keep both, but yeah I think bogey is movable if it gets us a piece that takes us to the next level.
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Re: Sacramento and Minnesota
Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 6:33 am
by MoneyTalks41890
Hield of Dreams wrote:MoneyTalks41890 wrote:Hield of Dreams wrote:Even that feels light. I really don't see the Kings moving on from Buddy.
This is more click bait occurring than anything else.
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Yeah I get it as someone who had to deal with endless rumors and big shifts. FWIW I like the idea of moving Bogdan, but only to get cost controlled complimentary players.
I prefer to keep both, but yeah I think bogey is movable if it gets us a piece that takes us to the next level.
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After Siakam do you think the Kings do the same for Buddy?
Re: Sacramento and Minnesota
Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 6:33 am
by The Beam King
MoneyTalks41890 wrote:Hield of Dreams wrote:MoneyTalks41890 wrote:
Yeah I get it as someone who had to deal with endless rumors and big shifts. FWIW I like the idea of moving Bogdan, but only to get cost controlled complimentary players.
I prefer to keep both, but yeah I think bogey is movable if it gets us a piece that takes us to the next level.
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After Siakam do you think the Kings do the same for Buddy?
I think buddy gets a 4 year 104 deal
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Re: Sacramento and Minnesota
Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 6:38 am
by MoneyTalks41890
Hield of Dreams wrote:MoneyTalks41890 wrote:Hield of Dreams wrote:I prefer to keep both, but yeah I think bogey is movable if it gets us a piece that takes us to the next level.
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After Siakam do you think the Kings do the same for Buddy?
I think buddy gets a 4 year 104 deal
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I feel like 115 and it’s done
Re: Sacramento and Minnesota
Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 6:38 am
by The Beam King
MoneyTalks41890 wrote:Hield of Dreams wrote:MoneyTalks41890 wrote:
After Siakam do you think the Kings do the same for Buddy?
I think buddy gets a 4 year 104 deal
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I feel like 115 and it’s done
He's asking for 110
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Re: Sacramento and Minnesota
Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 6:41 am
by MoneyTalks41890
Hield of Dreams wrote:MoneyTalks41890 wrote:Hield of Dreams wrote:I think buddy gets a 4 year 104 deal
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I feel like 115 and it’s done
He's asking for 110
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This is what we just discussed with Siakam. Pay the man. 5m over the life of the deal is nothing. Let him know he’s core.
Re: Sacramento and Minnesota
Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 6:42 am
by Mamba4Goat
Having way too much money for 2 wings that don't play defense should be a no go for Minnesota.
Re: Sacramento and Minnesota
Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 11:06 am
by NuggetsWY
OP is nice for Minnesota - makes a lot of sense for their roster.
Sacramento almost certainly says no and I doubt Minnesota wants to sweeten the deal with a pick.
Re: Sacramento and Minnesota
Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 1:20 pm
by rugbyrugger23
Buddy + Barnes
For
Culver + Wiggins
Kings go younger but get a cost controlled rookie contract that is ideal. If Culver can prove core worthy with Fox and MB3 they have one of the best young cores in the business. Wiggins gets a fresh start.
Wolves try a more balanced but older lineup around Towns in a post Wiggins era.
C: Towns
F: Covington or Barnes
F: Barnes or Covington
G: Buddy
G: Teague
Re: Sacramento and Minnesota
Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 1:28 pm
by Colbinii
rugbyrugger23 wrote:Buddy + Barnes
For
Culver + Wiggins
Kings go younger but get a cost controlled rookie contract that is ideal. If Culver can prove core worthy with Fox and MB3 they have one of the best young cores in the business. Wiggins gets a fresh start.
Wolves try a more balanced but older lineup around Towns in a post Wiggins era.
C: Towns
F: Covington or Barnes
F: Barnes or Covington
G: Buddy
G: Teague
There is no way Culver is moved with Wiggins. Actually, there is no way Culver is moved, period.
Culver has looked great for Minnesota and 4 years at his contract helps them immensely.
Re: Sacramento and Minnesota
Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 1:42 pm
by shrink
Hield of Dreams wrote:MoneyTalks41890 wrote:Way too light for the Kings. For Buddy it’s definitely RoCo and a 1st.
Even that feels light. I really don't see the Kings moving on from Buddy.
This is more click bait occurring than anything else.
This isn’t just Buddy Hield.. this is Buddy Hield asking for a max deal. SAC can pay a max deal, and didn’t offer it.
You think for another team, he is worth not just the max deal, but paying big time assets? If he was worth this much more than the max, SAC would simply pay the max.
As for “clickbait,” I would never dismiss something Shams or Woj said, just because I didn’t like it.
Re: Sacramento and Minnesota
Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 2:05 pm
by The Beam King
shrink wrote:Hield of Dreams wrote:MoneyTalks41890 wrote:Way too light for the Kings. For Buddy it’s definitely RoCo and a 1st.
Even that feels light. I really don't see the Kings moving on from Buddy.
This is more click bait occurring than anything else.
This isn’t just Buddy Hield.. this is Buddy Hield asking for a max deal. SAC can pay a max deal, and didn’t offer it.
You think for another team, he is worth not just the max deal, but paying big time assets? If he was worth this much more than the max, SAC would simply pay the max.
As for “clickbait,” I would never dismiss something Shams or Woj said, just because I didn’t like it.
No buddy camp was seeking near 110M. Kings gave an offer of 90m. A max deal would be 130m.
Theyre in negotiation and the Kings could opt to pay more after another season if they choose to go the RFA route. Really from the Kings perspective an extension should be favorable to them. Otherwise just match what buddy commands in open market next year. There is little incentive to give buddy the max now when you can do it next year and have a further year of evaluation.
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Re: Sacramento and Minnesota
Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 2:07 pm
by The Beam King
shrink wrote:Hield of Dreams wrote:MoneyTalks41890 wrote:Way too light for the Kings. For Buddy it’s definitely RoCo and a 1st.
Even that feels light. I really don't see the Kings moving on from Buddy.
This is more click bait occurring than anything else.
This isn’t just Buddy Hield.. this is Buddy Hield asking for a max deal. SAC can pay a max deal, and didn’t offer it.
You think for another team, he is worth not just the max deal, but paying big time assets? If he was worth this much more than the max, SAC would simply pay the max.
As for “clickbait,” I would never dismiss something Shams or Woj said, just because I didn’t like it.
They're shams and woj. not gospel. They have a lot of insider info because they are tools to agents and free offices. They write a lot of puff pieces and in return get the info ahead of time. However I will read every piece of journalism with a critical eye whether I agree with them or not. I ask the question. Who benefits from this narrative. And that's typically where the truth lies.
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Re: Sacramento and Minnesota
Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:02 pm
by kb02
Culver + Okogie for Buddy.
Re: Sacramento and Minnesota
Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:52 pm
by Resistance
kb02 wrote:Culver + Okogie for Buddy.
Minnesota says no quickly.
Re: Sacramento and Minnesota
Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:58 pm
by Colbinii
kb02 wrote:Culver + Okogie for Buddy.
Culver is much more valuable than Buddy.
What pick do you think Buddy could fetch in this draft?