Kyle Kuzma vs Julius Randle vs Kevin Love vs Aaron Gordon

[DeathLineup]

Rank these guys based on trade value!

> Kyle Kuzma (age 24)
2019-20: $1,974,600
2020-21: $3,562,178

> Julius Randle (age 24)
2019-20: $18,000,000
2020-21: $18,900,000
2021-22: $19,800,000 ($4,000,000 guaranteed)

> Kevin Love (age 31)
2019-20: $28,942,830
2020-21: $31,258,256
2021-22: $31,258,256
2022-23: $28,942,830

> Aaron Gordon (age 24)
2019-20: $19,863,636
2020-21: $18,136,364
2021-22: $16,409,091

[jbk1234]

Are you going to add career and season numbers as well? Because if we're just going off of age and contracts, the Cavs have some end of the bench guys who will crush this poll.

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[Mamba4Goat]

AG>Kuz>Randle>Love with none of them particularly close to the other.

[jbk1234]

I think it's pretty crazy to have Randle over Love. Not sure about Kuzma either.

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[rugbyrugger23]

AG>Kuz>Randle>Love with none of them particularly close to the other.

I agree with this order.

But because Kuz is so cheap, he could creep up to and surpass AG — I can understand that argument.

[DeathLineup]

Are you going to add career and season numbers as well? Because if we're just going off of age and contracts, the Cavs have some end of the bench guys who will crush this poll.

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Of course everyone should take career and season numbers into consideration for this discussion.

I just put some numbers that are harder to find in the OP. Career and season numbers are very easy to find.

[nzahir]

I think Kuz has to be first, he can at least take over game scoring wise

AG isn't too special, pretty underwhelming for his gifts.

Randle at 20M to be an awful defender....no. Too slow for the 4 and can't space. Cant protect rim to be a 5

Love at 30M a year is insane, imagine paying him 30M when he is 35 and can't play any D

All depends on my team though, but I think Kuzma is 1st

[DeathLineup]

1. Aaron Gordon
2. Julius Randle
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3. Kevin Love
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4. Kyle Kuzma

It's close between Gordon and Randle. I put Gordon first because he can defend. Randle can't. Although I actually like Randle's overall game more than Gordon. Love is the best player in here but his expensive contract is very scary to touch. Kuzma can score but that's it. Nothing else.

[rugbyrugger23]

1. Aaron Gordon
2. Julius Randle
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3. Kevin Love
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4. Kyle Kuzma

It's close between Gordon and Randle. I put Gordon first because he can defend. Randle can't. Although I actually like Randle's overall game more than Gordon. Love is the best player in here but his expensive contract is very scary to touch. Kuzma can score but that's it. Nothing else.

The poll is TRADE value. You really think the general consensus around the league would give more in value for Love and his contract than Kuzma with 2 years of rookie deal? Not a chance. Only way that is true is if team trading for Love has 30mil in bad contract matching dollars.

[DeathLineup]

1. Aaron Gordon
2. Julius Randle
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3. Kevin Love
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4. Kyle Kuzma

It's close between Gordon and Randle. I put Gordon first because he can defend. Randle can't. Although I actually like Randle's overall game more than Gordon. Love is the best player in here but his expensive contract is very scary to touch. Kuzma can score but that's it. Nothing else.

The poll is TRADE value. You really think the general consensus around the league would give more in value for Love and his contract than Kuzma with 2 years of rookie deal? Not a chance. Only way that is true is if team trading for Love has 30mil in bad contract matching dollars.

Yes. I think teams in the league would be willing to surrender better assets for Love than Kuzma. Especially winning teams.

[taikibansei]

Um, yeah, I know I'm a Knicks' fan and supposed to back my boy...but Randle is not worth more than Love on the open market. (No way for Aaron Gordon either--lmao.) Love is putting up his Minnesota numbers--19/14/4/1 on a 59.8 EFG%, 22.5 PER and a .653 TS%. More to the point, per nba.com/stats, the Cavs last season were 8.3 points better per 100 possessions when Sexton and Love played together vs. when Sexton was on the floor without Love. When Osman and Love played together, the Cavs were 8.1 points better per 100 possessions vs. when Osman was on the floor and Love wasn’t. Sexton, Osman and Love together were 10.1 points better per 100 possessions vs. Sexton and Osman together without Love.
https://www.fearthesword.com/2019/7/11/20690250/kevin-love-possible-trade-cleveland-cavaliers

Randle is fool's gold. He can put up numbers sometimes, but doesn't lift his teammates up (and chokes big time in 4th quarters). Aaron belongs on the NBA all-average team--he does nothing poorly, but nothing really good either. Neither of these guys are starters on a team with serious playoff aspirations. Kuzma alone is perhaps worth something close to Love, but because of his rookie contract rather than his on-court play. He can give you good production cheap--a lot of teams can use this.

Finally, there's a difference between trade value and the likelihood of a trade. Randle, Gordon and Kuzma are all far more likely to be traded than Love, Kuzma because the Lakers have championship aspirations this year (so are more willing to sell their future for a short-term leap), and Randle and Gordon because their teams suck and desperately need picks and/or young talent with serious all-star potential back. The Cavs don't need more cap space--they'll have plenty this summer I believe--are not a free agent destination anyway and remain multiple pieces away from going anywhere. Love right now is all they have to keep them competitive each night and keep fans watching. Hence, the Cavs are likely going to ask for an extreme overpay to move him...and probably won't get it. Doesn't mean Love has less value than the others, just that the others can be had for less, so are more likely to go.

[MoneyTalks41890]

Gordon easily at the top here. Then Kuzma, followed by Love.

[Stillwater]

Gordon has a terrible basketball iq and should not be a first option at all , i would argue his value is far less for that reason than others...Randle is a good value but hes going want a lot more $ going forward and as mentioned in this thread he lacks a clutch gene usually chokes.
Love is overpaid but not because he doesnt earn it...its because he is becoming injury prone.
Kuzma is a cheap 2nd or 3rd option and has too good of a contract over trade value % to be justifiably moved unless he gets hurt badly
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[Scoot McGroot]

IN TERMS OF TRADE VALUE ONLY, I would put Aaron Gordon up top, and then Love and Kuzma both relatively close underneath AG. Randle would bring up the rear by quite a bit. Kuzma is just much easier to trade based on his smaller salary and one more year of rookie scale. Love is a much better player, but his contract size, age, and health come into play, and just make him harder to trade solely on matching contracts. Gordon isn't necessarily the impact of Love on court overall, but he's so plug and play in terms of providing some defense, some offense, fits SF or PF, and is a very affordable, locked in, declining contract.

In terms of impact on court? To me, Love, then Gordon, then Kuzma, and Randle last.

[Duffman100]

Trade value is tough. Love when healthy is the best player, but will Love be healthy? And at that contract?

Gordon has the best potential, but will he finally put it together.

Kuzma is intriguing with his ability to score, but need more time evaluate him.

Randle is a beast on the glass and on offense, can't play a lick of D.

[giberish]

For the 3 young guys, Gordon is the clear best on-court player. Randle gives back everything on defense. For trade value Kuzma's rookie deal for another 1+ season makes his trade value close to Gordon's, with Randle well behind.

Love is the best on-court player of the three. But he's only worth his contract if he stays healthy and doesn't significantly decline with age. The downside risk is big, though for some teams looking short term might not be as concerned.

Overall I'd have Gordon and Kuzma roughly equal, with Randle and Love well back and roughly equal to each other (with significant team to team variation).

[jbk1234]

I think Kuz has to be first, he can at least take over game scoring wise

AG isn't too special, pretty underwhelming for his gifts.

Randle at 20M to be an awful defender....no. Too slow for the 4 and can't space. Cant protect rim to be a 5

Love at 30M a year is insane, imagine paying him 30M when he is 35 and can't play any D

All depends on my team though, but I think Kuzma is 1st

In Kuzma's best scoring year, he averaged 18.7 ppg on 15.5 FGA. Those are good numbers, but they're not taking over a game numbers.

Kevin Love will be 34 his last year on his current contract.

[Mamba4Goat]

I think it's pretty crazy to have Randle over Love. Not sure about Kuzma either.

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I just don't think Love is positive value with his big contact and his health concerns.

[jbk1234]

I think it's pretty crazy to have Randle over Love. Not sure about Kuzma either.

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I just don't think Love is positive value with his big contact and his health concerns.

I get the health concerns (I think they're overblown as he had elective surgery in a tank year last year). But Kevin Love's contract is not a max deal. He's going to make 25% of the cap, or less, from now until it ends. If it wasn't for his injury history, I'm not sure how people think they're getting a player who can do what he can do for less money.

[wolves_89]

Gordon easily has the most trade value. After him Kuzma would be second due to another year remaining on his rookie contract. At the bottom after a significant value gap are Randle and Love. I'd probably rate Randle as being slightly more valuable due to his age and fewer contract years. At 31 and having missed over 100 games the last 3 years, Love's three expensive seasons after this one are too much of a risk for most teams to even consider taking on.