Raptors - Knicks. NYK rebuilds, and TOR goes for a Finals run

[MessiahUjiri]

I think the Knicks and the Raptors can make for good trade partners.

Knicks are headed for the lottery, and have a bunch of expiring and older players that are not part of their future. They would like youth or picks.

Raptors need to shore up some scoring as they make a run for the ECF.


Marcus Morris, Reggie Bullock and Taj Gibson for Serge Ibaka (routed to 3rd team for 2020 1st), Raps 2020 1st, Raps 2021 2nd, Patrick Mccaw



Morris is averaging 19 pts. Gibson will fit in as the center backup, and we also get a team option on him for next year. Bullock provides veteran 3pt shooting as the SG backup.


Lowry/Norm/OG/Siakam/Gasol
Fred/Bullock/Morris/Boucher/Gibson


In the playoffs Toronto can run a solid 9 man rotation.

[dakomish23]

Who’s the 3rd team that Ibaka gets routed to for a first?

[MessiahUjiri]

Who’s the 3rd team that Ibaka gets routed to for a first?

There are a few teams in the playoff hunt who can use a veteran shot blocking and 3pt shooting center. Dallas, Boston, Portland stand out to me.

[dakomish23]

Who’s the 3rd team that Ibaka gets routed to for a first?

There are a few teams in the playoff hunt who can use a veteran shot blocking and 3pt shooting center. Dallas, Boston, Portland stand out to me.

Who’s giving up a first?

[MessiahUjiri]

Who’s the 3rd team that Ibaka gets routed to for a first?

There are a few teams in the playoff hunt who can use a veteran shot blocking and 3pt shooting center. Dallas, Boston, Portland stand out to me.

Who’s giving up a first?

Are you trolling!

Boston has 3 first rounders this year. Plus 2 second rounders

Dallas and Portland can be dark horses with differing picks.

[giberish]

There are a few teams in the playoff hunt who can use a veteran shot blocking and 3pt shooting center. Dallas, Boston, Portland stand out to me.

Who’s giving up a first?

Are you trolling!

Boston has 3 first rounders this year. Plus 2 second rounders

Dallas and Portland can be dark horses with differing picks.

Boston can't match salaries (without including guys they care about more then Ibaka or doing some 5 for 1 deal that creates big roster problems in a midseason deal). Portland doesn't have a late 1st to offer. Dallas may offer a high 2nd from GS - that's about as good as you can hope for.

[psman2]

There are a few teams in the playoff hunt who can use a veteran shot blocking and 3pt shooting center. Dallas, Boston, Portland stand out to me.

Who’s giving up a first?

Are you trolling!

Boston has 3 first rounders this year. Plus 2 second rounders

Dallas and Portland can be dark horses with differing picks.

I don’t think he is trolling at all. Just don’t see any team offering a 1st for Ibaka unless they are getting off longer term bad money. Boston has the picks but not the matching salary required. Portland is getting Nurkic back soon and Ibaka is not a big enough need/upgrade over Whiteside to give up a 1st. Dallas is too asset poor to waste a pick on 35 games of Ibaka.

[Hoodwink]

Who’s the 3rd team that Ibaka gets routed to for a first?

There are a few teams in the playoff hunt who can use a veteran shot blocking and 3pt shooting center. Dallas, Boston, Portland stand out to me.

Who’s giving up a first?

15ppg/8.2rebs/1.3a---50/38/74

That isn't worth a first?

Not that I agree with this trade...

[Reign23]

obv love this for nyk.

[Resistance]

There are a few teams in the playoff hunt who can use a veteran shot blocking and 3pt shooting center. Dallas, Boston, Portland stand out to me.

Who’s giving up a first?

15ppg/8.2rebs/1.3a---50/38/74

That isn't worth a first?

Not that I agree with this trade...

Serge Ibaka - $23,271,605


A fairly large amount of salary (minimum: $18,271,605) has to be going back to Toronto unless a third team is brought into the trade. There are multiple things that have to be taken in consideration when determining a potential trade of Ibaka for a first + salary:

* Identify a team that has a definite need for Ibaka for the remainder of the season

* The team trading for Ibaka has a minimum of $18,271,605 that could be sent out in a trade that they would prefer to be spent on him rather than on the player (or players) that it is currently spending on

* The incoming salary for New York has to be something that they would be comfortable with taking in

* The team considering a trade for Ibaka isn't too depleted on their stash of first round picks

* The team considering a trade for Ibaka is comfortable with giving up the multiple cost controlled years of a first round pick for a partial season of Ibaka

[NuggetsWY]

At first glance, the OP seems just wrong - but the more I think about it, the more I like it. It seems to me the Raptors are overpaying but if they believe this deal could bring them to Milwaukee's level (and it just might), then they could do it.

I'm not so certain about New York. Trading Ibaka for a decent first makes the deal work. As others have pointed out, finding that team might be tough.

[Duffman100]

I don't know if this deal makes all that much better. Especially if Morris' shooting comes back down to earth.

How is Bullock?

[dakomish23]

There are a few teams in the playoff hunt who can use a veteran shot blocking and 3pt shooting center. Dallas, Boston, Portland stand out to me.

Who’s giving up a first?

Are you trolling!

Boston has 3 first rounders this year. Plus 2 second rounders

Dallas and Portland can be dark horses with differing picks.

It’s not trolling. Lay out the exact deal is what I’m asking for. It’s not just about need.

[MessiahUjiri]

Who’s giving up a first?

Are you trolling!

Boston has 3 first rounders this year. Plus 2 second rounders

Dallas and Portland can be dark horses with differing picks.

It’s not trolling. Lay out the exact deal is what I’m asking for. It’s not just about need.

This is a framework of a deal proposal. Don’t get so anal. If you think Ibaka can get routed for a couple of 2nds instead of a 1st, that’s a fair debate. But it seems like you’re more interested in getting caught up on that one detail.

[jimmy keys]

I don't know if this deal makes all that much better. Especially if Morris' shooting comes back down to earth.

How is Bullock?

Spoiler:

It doesn't.

[dakomish23]

Are you trolling!

Boston has 3 first rounders this year. Plus 2 second rounders

Dallas and Portland can be dark horses with differing picks.

It’s not trolling. Lay out the exact deal is what I’m asking for. It’s not just about need.

This is a framework of a deal proposal. Don’t get so anal. If you think Ibaka can get routed for a couple of 2nds instead of a 1st, that’s a fair debate. But it seems like you’re more interested in getting caught up on that one detail.

Trade proposal says “Ibaka can be moved for a first”

I ask who’s giving that first

“Why are you being anal”

What?

[agkagk]

Who’s the 3rd team that Ibaka gets routed to for a first?

There are a few teams in the playoff hunt who can use a veteran shot blocking and 3pt shooting center. Dallas, Boston, Portland stand out to me.

Hey, I bet the raptors could use one of those too!

I’d rather them resign ibaka then trade him and futures for Morris and a few pennies.

Don’t think this trade moves the needle for the raptors. At least not enough to give up picks, a young guard and the guy mostly to be their starting centre next season.

[Resistance]

Are you trolling!

Boston has 3 first rounders this year. Plus 2 second rounders

Dallas and Portland can be dark horses with differing picks.

It’s not trolling. Lay out the exact deal is what I’m asking for. It’s not just about need.

This is a framework of a deal proposal. Don’t get so anal. If you think Ibaka can get routed for a couple of 2nds instead of a 1st, that’s a fair debate. But it seems like you’re more interested in getting caught up on that one detail.

This forum is different than team specific forums. If you are expecting most of the people here to agree with you as they tend to do in a team specific forum, you will be disappointed.

86. How do simultaneous trades work? How much salary can a team take back in a simultaneous trade?

Non-Taxpaying Teams

Outgoing salary......................Maximum incoming salary
$0 to $6,533,333....................175% of the outgoing salary, plus $100,000
$6,533,334 to $19.6 million.......The outgoing salary plus $5 million
$19.6 million and up................125% of the outgoing salary, plus $100,000

Taxpaying teams can take back up to 125% of their outgoing salaries, plus $100,000, no matter how much salary the team is sending away.

Serge Ibaka - $23,271,605

Provided the team taking Ibaka won't be a taxpayer, they Would need to send out $18,271,605 ($23,271,605 - $5,000,000) in salary.

Boston has 3 first rounders this year. Plus 2 second rounders

Boston has some players with larger salaries (Walker, Hayward, Smart) and players they really like (Tatum and Brown). Since Walker isn't noted a s a defender, Boston might be reluctant to include Smart ( $12,553,571) in the trade.

If Smart, Brown, Tatum, Walker, Hayward are excluded from being in the trade, the Celtics would need to send out quite a few lower salaried players from a group of:

* Kanter
* Theiss
* Poirier
* Langford
* Grant Williams
* R Williams
* etc

to meet the needed $18,271,605 in outgoing salary. Ainge has a reputation of liking to keep his draft picks, so that would be another hurdle to be cleared.

Dallas and Portland can be dark horses with differing picks.

Dallas owes some first round picks, so giving up a first for a rental of Ibaka might be more than they would want to do.

In regards to the needed outgoing salary, Tim Hardaway Jr. ($20,025,127) would meet the requirements. Since he is in the Dallas rotation, the tradeoff of Ibaka in and Hardaway out may not be worth it especially when sending out another first is part of equation.

Dallas and Portland can be dark horses with differing picks.

Hassan Whiteside ($27,093,0180) would work as the outgoing salary, but is a partial season of Ibaka instead of Whiteside worth a first round pick? Portland would still have some needs at PF and SF that a trade for Ibaka wouldn't address.