I Still Know What They Should Do This Summer Brooklyn Nets

[Trader_Joe]

Hi all: we've done threads like this the past few years and gotten to see some really good ideas and creativity, so here's one for now. (Will we do all the teams? Maybe! If there's a team you'd like to see, feel free to suggest, or start your own thread!)

The idea: for the team listed, plan out their offseason as you see it: trades, draft, free agency. Obviously at this time there is a LOT of uncertainty about what the rest of the season/offseason will hold, but we can use some assumptions, and if you're here it means that like me you don't have a lot else going on

Today's team is the Brooklyn Nets.
After having the biggest offseason in franchise history, this season didn't go quite as planned. They knew KD was going to be out, but they didn't bank of Kyrie missing a majority of the season as well. Still, they were (are?) primed to make to the PO's as a low seed and were playing better as late in the season. The major twist at the end was the "mutual parting of ways" with Atkinson and Vaughn put into his place. Clearly, this team has a title as their goal, but the question is do they have enough to win one when healthy?


ROSTER
Kevin Durant........$40,108,950....$42,018,900....$43.928,850 (PO)
Kyrie Irving..........$33,329,100....$34,916,200.....$36,503,300 (PO)
Caris LeVert.........$16,203,704....$17,500,000....$18,796,296
Taurean Prince......$12,250,000...$13,000,000
Spencer Dinwiddie..$11,453,491...$12,301,898 (PO)
DeAndre Jordan.....$10,375,678...$9,881,598......$9,821,842
Garret Temple.......$5,005,350 (TO)
Jarrett Allen.........$3,909,902
Dzanan Musa.........$2,002,800....$3,615,054 (TO)
Rodions Kurucs......$1,780,152.....$1,861,068
TLC....................$1,824,003 (UNG)
Theo Pinson..........$1,701,593 (TO)
Nicolas Claxton......$1,517,981...$1,782,621 (UNG)


Total: $158,912,971 if they keep everyone including the Harris cap hold of $14.5m. Wiggle room if they decline Temple (I would, not sure if they do), Pinson (I would and think they will), TLC (I would not and don't think they will)

UFAs: Joe Harris, Wilson Chandler, Chris Chiozza

Draft picks: Philly 1st (#19)

Questions to Consider
How deep are Tsais' pockets?
Especially with all that has happened in the world. He said he was willing to pay the tax (which I'm sure he will) but he said that a long time ago when things were different. What is a reasonable amount to pay? Harris is the main determinant there. In a perfect world he comes back and on a reasonable deal. We don't live in a perfect world though and he will be a hot commodity. Dinwiddie is an unrestricted FA after this season while Allen restricted. Are they affordable long-term?

Do the Nets need a 3rd star? Do they potentially have one?
Dinwiddie and LeVert both have shown AS potential at various points and the team has depth, but do they have enough when healthy? To acquire a 3rd star, they'd be sacrificing depth as well as talent to land that 3rd star. Meanwhile, who is available and what is their fit?

Who is the right coach for KD and Kyrie?
Lue? MDA? M.Brown? Thibs?
Those names and plenty others have been floating around. It seems a player's coach would be the right type. One that likes to let players play loose and jack 3s even. But, that might be what the players want as opposed to what is best for the success of the team.

[HartfordWhalers]

I think the difference between above and how I view some of the players is pretty excessive, and guides my plan.

Take LeVert. 25. I would describe him as, does one thing and only one thing well, score. And does that at 51% TS% -- massively below league average. At 17.5m per year over 3 years, I have him currently as a bad contract and a lot less so All Star potential.

I have the Nets at:
Durant/Kyrie -- Franchise hope. Score well. Injury concerns. Defense concerns
Allen -- Interesting young center
DAJ -- Fighting with Allen for starting. Given KD and KI, will be starting or 25 mpg but not so good that I would dump Allen (unless getting a clear stud)
Dinwiddie -- The actual glue holding the team togeher and ver needed Kyrie insurance
Harris -- Guy whose skill set should make him the glue.
LeVert -- see above
Prince -- Bad defender for his entire NBA career but a "3&D" player? 3 was missing last year, but should come back if he plays as a 4 hiding in the corner. Bad contract, and if Durant is also best as a 4, now a backup?

I see a short window, very health dependent, and relying on guys who are mostly all offense and would do well with spacer 3 point shooters.

Imo, the idea should be:
Kyrie / Dinwiddie
Shooter /
Shooter /
Durant /
Allen/DAJ

Harris fits well. But I want a 2nd guy, and not LeVert or Prince. Then chase random athletic swingmen with the minimle (LRMM types that mostly defend and can soak minutes)

So here goes:
LeVert/Prince/19 for Hield/Bjelica?

Doesn't add defense, or shave long term costs. But adds a touch more reliable outside shooting. And offers Sac youth, and basically younger-ing and cheapering Hield into LeVert. Best I got right now; but

Kyrie / Dinwiddie
Hield /Dinwiddie
Harris / (Cheap vet)
Durant / Bjelica
Allen/DAJ

I think that is the type of blueprint that makes more sense than trying to find the elusive Covington type to be a starting defensive forward. Lean into your strengths. With is a MDA coach argument except all that matters is how well the stars care for a coach. So you have to ask Kyrie and KD whom they want...

[loserX]

Posted this first trade in another thread and I still like it (remains to be seen if Nets fans will!):

Levert/Musa/#19 for Aaron Gordon

Nets add an athletic forward who can defend and who should have a *much* easier time being a 3rd/4th option among superstars than he did trying to break out in Orlando's gummy offence. Magic start fixing their positional problem with a versatile wing, a young scorer, and a late-ish pick.

Taurean Prince for Eric Gordon

Nets, who just got a much better version of Prince, swap him out for another wing shooter, and also corner the market on Gordons. If Tsai really gets cowed by the tax, he now has a safety net if he has to think about letting Harris walk. Rockets get a putative defensive combo forward, but as much as anything this is about Fertitta getting to shed the end of Gordon's extension.

If Tsai says "damn the taxpedos, full steam ahead", re-sign Harris and use the taxpayer MLE on another forward, like Markieff Morris. If Harris has to walk (perhaps with an eye on keeping Dinwiddie and Allen next year), use that MLE on another shooting guard, like Langston Galloway and use the vet min on a cheap forward, say Solomon Hill.

If Harris re-signs:
Jordan/Allen
A. Gordon/Morris
Durant/Temple
Harris/E. Gordon
Irving/Dinwiddie

If not:
Jordan/Allen
A. Gordon/Hill
Durant/Temple
E. Gordon/Galloway
Irving/Dinwiddie

As for head coach, it has to be someone credible and who will command the respect of his players. MDA is a possibility, or maybe even JVG, who is already a New York legend and would allow the Nets to stick it to the Knicks

[getrichordie]

Isn't PHI's #19 tied with IND's #20, currently?

I don't know that BKN can find a better 3&D guy than Prince. He had a good year defensively and there's no reason to think that's a fluke. Maybe you want to trade him for Ariza, but he's on the decline.

I think BKN is fine as is and should assess things again prior to the deadline next season and if needed, make some moves.

The only thing I will say is that moving Allen + #19 + Prince for a more proven win-now player is something that should be on the table. BKN doesn't want to pay Allen once he hits RFA. So if the package nets you a significantly better wing than Prince, I think you have to pull the trigger.

[TheBrooklynKidd]

The Nets aren’t trading LeVert and a pick for anything short of a legitimate star and definitely not for Aaron Gordon. Maybe the team would consider a straight up swap for Gordon but I highly doubt it. I’d be interested in Gordon but not for LeVert and a 1st, more along the lines of Prince and 2 1sts.

HartfordWhalers’ Kings trade is interesting but would ultimately make the team smaller on the perimeter and worse defensively while also losing a pick. That’s a hard no from us. I’d definitely be interested in acquiring Hield and Bjelica but not for that cost and most likely not in a package deal.


Luxury Tax Issues:
One thing that is definitely necessary is cutting money. The Nets can keep these guys together for one more season but by 2021 it becomes unsustainable with Dinwiddie and Allen’s raises.

It’s become clear that with the presence of Jordan and Claxton, Allen is a goner. It’s important for the Nets turn Jarrett Allen into a cheap long term contributor. I have 2 ideas for how we could do this:

Nets Trade: Allen, #19
Hornets Trade: #8
Hornets move down but acquire a young starting center. Nets get their highest pick in a decade to develop into a contributor during the KD/Kyrie era and hopefully a star/starter post KD/Kyrie.

Nets Trade: Allen, Prince, #19/20
Kings Trade: Bjelica, #13, future 2nd
Im not a huge fan of this scenario and it would largely depend on how the Kings view Jarrett Allen in relation to Holmes and Bagley.

One thing that is clear is that the Nets can’t give up guys like LeVert and Dinwiddie unless it’s for legitimate stars. This team will need more than just KD, Kyrie and shooters. Both of those guys are multipositional defenders capable of creating shots for themselves and others. There will be nights when KD and Kyrie are out and you don’t want to have to rely on catch and shoot player to create in their absence. When KD and Kyrie are healthy the Nets suddenly have the best back up guard duo in the league to tear through bench defenses.

With the best guard rotation in the league and Durant at the 4 they should be able to fill out the rest of the frontcourt rotation with vet min guys and guys on rookie deals.

Kyrie/Dinwiddie/Vet
Levert/Harris/Vet
Vet(Prince? Gordon?)/Musa/Rookie
Durant/Kurucs/Vet(Bjelica?)
Jordan/Claxton/Vet

In order to reach their ceiling the Nets will have to commit to what they do best, player development. That means keeping guys like LeVert and Dinwiddie and trying to turn their current young players and future draft picks into reliable cheap contributors.

[slos]

I believe the Nets should keep it simple. Resign Harris with 3y/40mil, keep Philly's #20 to draft their third PG (Maledon), get a coach that won't be fired be Kyrie/KD if he starts Allen. Dinwiddie can backup both Kyrie and Levert, Prince can backup both Harris and Durant, Jordan will share the 5 with Allen, they are already good enough for the playoffs.

Their problem is to get there with all their players. They will need bodies to rest and have some minute control in their top players. Pretty much what Bud does in Milwaukee. If Brooklyn is OK to pay 10 more mil in tax money, picking up Temple's option and bringing a PF like Marvin with the tax-MLE would be valuable.

Irving.......Dinwiddie.....Maledon
LeVert......Temple........Musa
Harris.......Prince.........Kurucs
Durant......Williams......Claxton
Allen........Jordan........#55

Note: I also like the end of the bench with Maledon/Musa/Kurucs/Claxton. They will have their chances in the RS with the load management that needs to be done and there is talent for one to make it as the 9th player in the playoffs.

[getrichordie]

Spoiler:

The Nets aren’t trading LeVert and a pick for anything short of a legitimate star and definitely not for Aaron Gordon. Maybe the team would consider a straight up swap for Gordon but I highly doubt it. I’d be interested in Gordon but not for LeVert and a 1st, more along the lines of Prince and 2 1sts.

HartfordWhalers’ Kings trade is interesting but would ultimately make the team smaller on the perimeter and worse defensively while also losing a pick. That’s a hard no from us. I’d definitely be interested in acquiring Hield and Bjelica but not for that cost and most likely not in a package deal.


Luxury Tax Issues:
One thing that is definitely necessary is cutting money. The Nets can keep these guys together for one more season but by 2021 it becomes unsustainable with Dinwiddie and Allen’s raises.

It’s become clear that with the presence of Jordan and Claxton, Allen is a goner. It’s important for the Nets turn Jarrett Allen into a cheap long term contributor. I have 2 ideas for how we could do this:

Nets Trade: Allen, #19
Hornets Trade: #8
Hornets move down but acquire a young starting center. Nets get their highest pick in a decade to develop into a contributor during the KD/Kyrie era and hopefully a star/starter post KD/Kyrie.

Nets Trade: Allen, Prince, #19/20
Kings Trade: Bjelica, #13, future 2nd
Im not a huge fan of this scenario and it would largely depend on how the Kings view Jarrett Allen in relation to Holmes and Bagley.

One thing that is clear is that the Nets can’t give up guys like LeVert and Dinwiddie unless it’s for legitimate stars. This team will need more than just KD, Kyrie and shooters. Both of those guys are multipositional defenders capable of creating shots for themselves and others. There will be nights when KD and Kyrie are out and you don’t want to have to rely on catch and shoot player to create in their absence. When KD and Kyrie are healthy the Nets suddenly have the best back up guard duo in the league to tear through bench defenses.

With the best guard rotation in the league and Durant at the 4 they should be able to fill out the rest of the frontcourt rotation with vet min guys and guys on rookie deals.

Kyrie/Dinwiddie/Vet
Levert/Harris/Vet
Vet(Prince? Gordon?)/Musa/Rookie
Durant/Kurucs/Vet(Bjelica?)
Jordan/Claxton/Vet

In order to reach their ceiling the Nets will have to commit to what they do best, player development. That means keeping guys like LeVert and Dinwiddie and trying to turn their current young players and future draft picks into reliable cheap contributors.

Dinwiddie and LeVert are definitely NOT multi-positional defenders. If you were referring to Kyrie and KD, KD is the only multi-positional defender here.

And LeVert is very tradeable. His skill set is replaceable.

Harris should be the starting 2 for BKN, IMO and if LeVert is kept, he should be coming off the bench with Dinwiddie.

If you can upgrade Prince, do it. If you can trade LeVert for a more proven 6th man type, do it.

[TheBrooklynKidd]

Spoiler:

The Nets aren’t trading LeVert and a pick for anything short of a legitimate star and definitely not for Aaron Gordon. Maybe the team would consider a straight up swap for Gordon but I highly doubt it. I’d be interested in Gordon but not for LeVert and a 1st, more along the lines of Prince and 2 1sts.

HartfordWhalers’ Kings trade is interesting but would ultimately make the team smaller on the perimeter and worse defensively while also losing a pick. That’s a hard no from us. I’d definitely be interested in acquiring Hield and Bjelica but not for that cost and most likely not in a package deal.


Luxury Tax Issues:
One thing that is definitely necessary is cutting money. The Nets can keep these guys together for one more season but by 2021 it becomes unsustainable with Dinwiddie and Allen’s raises.

It’s become clear that with the presence of Jordan and Claxton, Allen is a goner. It’s important for the Nets turn Jarrett Allen into a cheap long term contributor. I have 2 ideas for how we could do this:

Nets Trade: Allen, #19
Hornets Trade: #8
Hornets move down but acquire a young starting center. Nets get their highest pick in a decade to develop into a contributor during the KD/Kyrie era and hopefully a star/starter post KD/Kyrie.

Nets Trade: Allen, Prince, #19/20
Kings Trade: Bjelica, #13, future 2nd
Im not a huge fan of this scenario and it would largely depend on how the Kings view Jarrett Allen in relation to Holmes and Bagley.

One thing that is clear is that the Nets can’t give up guys like LeVert and Dinwiddie unless it’s for legitimate stars. This team will need more than just KD, Kyrie and shooters. Both of those guys are multipositional defenders capable of creating shots for themselves and others. There will be nights when KD and Kyrie are out and you don’t want to have to rely on catch and shoot player to create in their absence. When KD and Kyrie are healthy the Nets suddenly have the best back up guard duo in the league to tear through bench defenses.

With the best guard rotation in the league and Durant at the 4 they should be able to fill out the rest of the frontcourt rotation with vet min guys and guys on rookie deals.

Kyrie/Dinwiddie/Vet
Levert/Harris/Vet
Vet(Prince? Gordon?)/Musa/Rookie
Durant/Kurucs/Vet(Bjelica?)
Jordan/Claxton/Vet

In order to reach their ceiling the Nets will have to commit to what they do best, player development. That means keeping guys like LeVert and Dinwiddie and trying to turn their current young players and future draft picks into reliable cheap contributors.

Dinwiddie and LeVert are definitely NOT multi-positional defenders. If you were referring to Kyrie and KD, KD is the only multi-positional defender here.

And LeVert is very tradeable. His skill set is replaceable.

Harris should be the starting 2 for BKN, IMO and if LeVert is kept, he should be coming off the bench with Dinwiddie.

If you can upgrade Prince, do it. If you can trade LeVert for a more proven 6th man type, do it.

Gonna strongly disagree here. Dinwiddie and LeVert have the size and quickness to guard 1-3 to some extent.

There are only 2 things that could make the Nets championship favorites and both depend on LeVert:
1. He develops into a star
2. He’s traded for a star

With most stars unavailable at the moment you have to improve the roster around KD/Kyrie while hoping that LeVert can take that leap. There is no proven 6th man type that you could move LeVert for. I challenge you to think of 1 player like that.

[TheBrooklynKidd]

I believe the Nets should keep it simple. Resign Harris with 3y/40mil, keep Philly's #20 to draft their third PG (Maledon), get a coach that won't be fired be Kyrie/KD if he starts Allen. Dinwiddie can backup both Kyrie and Levert, Prince can backup both Harris and Durant, Jordan will share the 5 with Allen, they are already good enough for the playoffs.

Their problem is to get there with all their players. They will need bodies to rest and have some minute control in their top players. Pretty much what Bud does in Milwaukee. If Brooklyn is OK to pay 10 more mil in tax money, picking up Temple's option and bringing a PF like Marvin with the tax-MLE would be valuable.

Irving.......Dinwiddie.....Maledon
LeVert......Temple........Musa
Harris.......Prince.........Kurucs
Durant......Williams......Claxton
Allen........Jordan........#55

Note: I also like the end of the bench with Maledon/Musa/Kurucs/Claxton. They will have their chances in the RS with the load management that needs to be done and there is talent for one to make it as the 9th player in the playoffs.

They can keep it simple until next year’s trade deadline, after that the team becomes financially unsustainable.

The Nets will have to move Jarrett Allen and at least one of Harris/Dinwiddie/LeVert/Prince as well. The key will be maintaining or improving the level of play while also getting cheaper. That will be difficult but not impossible.

[TheBrooklynKidd]

I think the difference between above and how I view some of the players is pretty excessive, and guides my plan.

Take LeVert. 25. I would describe him as, does one thing and only one thing well, score. And does that at 51% TS% -- massively below league average. At 17.5m per year over 3 years, I have him currently as a bad contract and a lot less so All Star potential.

I have the Nets at:
Durant/Kyrie -- Franchise hope. Score well. Injury concerns. Defense concerns
Allen -- Interesting young center
DAJ -- Fighting with Allen for starting. Given KD and KI, will be starting or 25 mpg but not so good that I would dump Allen (unless getting a clear stud)
Dinwiddie -- The actual glue holding the team togeher and ver needed Kyrie insurance
Harris -- Guy whose skill set should make him the glue.
LeVert -- see above
Prince -- Bad defender for his entire NBA career but a "3&D" player? 3 was missing last year, but should come back if he plays as a 4 hiding in the corner. Bad contract, and if Durant is also best as a 4, now a backup?

I see a short window, very health dependent, and relying on guys who are mostly all offense and would do well with spacer 3 point shooters.

Imo, the idea should be:
Kyrie / Dinwiddie
Shooter /
Shooter /
Durant /
Allen/DAJ

Harris fits well. But I want a 2nd guy, and not LeVert or Prince. Then chase random athletic swingmen with the minimle (LRMM types that mostly defend and can soak minutes)

So here goes:
LeVert/Prince/19 for Hield/Bjelica?

Doesn't add defense, or shave long term costs. But adds a touch more reliable outside shooting. And offers Sac youth, and basically younger-ing and cheapering Hield into LeVert. Best I got right now; but

Kyrie / Dinwiddie
Hield /Dinwiddie
Harris / (Cheap vet)
Durant / Bjelica
Allen/DAJ

I think that is the type of blueprint that makes more sense than trying to find the elusive Covington type to be a starting defensive forward. Lean into your strengths. With is a MDA coach argument except all that matters is how well the stars care for a coach. So you have to ask Kyrie and KD whom they want...

Do you have stats to back up your claim that Prince is a bad defender?

I ask because the Nets were a top 10 defensive team according to DRTG and Prince was the only forward on the team who played consistent minutes.

Are you saying that they were a good defensive team in spite of him? That guys like Joe Harris and TLC were so good that they were able to carry him on that end?

[getrichordie]

Spoiler:

The Nets aren’t trading LeVert and a pick for anything short of a legitimate star and definitely not for Aaron Gordon. Maybe the team would consider a straight up swap for Gordon but I highly doubt it. I’d be interested in Gordon but not for LeVert and a 1st, more along the lines of Prince and 2 1sts.

HartfordWhalers’ Kings trade is interesting but would ultimately make the team smaller on the perimeter and worse defensively while also losing a pick. That’s a hard no from us. I’d definitely be interested in acquiring Hield and Bjelica but not for that cost and most likely not in a package deal.


Luxury Tax Issues:
One thing that is definitely necessary is cutting money. The Nets can keep these guys together for one more season but by 2021 it becomes unsustainable with Dinwiddie and Allen’s raises.

It’s become clear that with the presence of Jordan and Claxton, Allen is a goner. It’s important for the Nets turn Jarrett Allen into a cheap long term contributor. I have 2 ideas for how we could do this:

Nets Trade: Allen, #19
Hornets Trade: #8
Hornets move down but acquire a young starting center. Nets get their highest pick in a decade to develop into a contributor during the KD/Kyrie era and hopefully a star/starter post KD/Kyrie.

Nets Trade: Allen, Prince, #19/20
Kings Trade: Bjelica, #13, future 2nd
Im not a huge fan of this scenario and it would largely depend on how the Kings view Jarrett Allen in relation to Holmes and Bagley.

One thing that is clear is that the Nets can’t give up guys like LeVert and Dinwiddie unless it’s for legitimate stars. This team will need more than just KD, Kyrie and shooters. Both of those guys are multipositional defenders capable of creating shots for themselves and others. There will be nights when KD and Kyrie are out and you don’t want to have to rely on catch and shoot player to create in their absence. When KD and Kyrie are healthy the Nets suddenly have the best back up guard duo in the league to tear through bench defenses.

With the best guard rotation in the league and Durant at the 4 they should be able to fill out the rest of the frontcourt rotation with vet min guys and guys on rookie deals.

Kyrie/Dinwiddie/Vet
Levert/Harris/Vet
Vet(Prince? Gordon?)/Musa/Rookie
Durant/Kurucs/Vet(Bjelica?)
Jordan/Claxton/Vet

In order to reach their ceiling the Nets will have to commit to what they do best, player development. That means keeping guys like LeVert and Dinwiddie and trying to turn their current young players and future draft picks into reliable cheap contributors.

Dinwiddie and LeVert are definitely NOT multi-positional defenders. If you were referring to Kyrie and KD, KD is the only multi-positional defender here.

And LeVert is very tradeable. His skill set is replaceable.

Harris should be the starting 2 for BKN, IMO and if LeVert is kept, he should be coming off the bench with Dinwiddie.

If you can upgrade Prince, do it. If you can trade LeVert for a more proven 6th man type, do it.

Gonna strongly disagree here. Dinwiddie and LeVert have the size and quickness to guard 1-3 to some extent.

There are only 2 things that could make the Nets championship favorites and both depend on LeVert:
1. He develops into a star
2. He’s traded for a star

With most stars unavailable at the moment you have to improve the roster around KD/Kyrie while hoping that LeVert can take that leap. There is no proven 6th man type that you could move LeVert for. I challenge you to think of 1 player like that.

As you can see here, both LeVert and Dinwiddie post pretty poor D-PIPM #s both in the current year and multi-year.

[TheBrooklynKidd]

Spoiler:

Dinwiddie and LeVert are definitely NOT multi-positional defenders. If you were referring to Kyrie and KD, KD is the only multi-positional defender here.

And LeVert is very tradeable. His skill set is replaceable.

Harris should be the starting 2 for BKN, IMO and if LeVert is kept, he should be coming off the bench with Dinwiddie.

If you can upgrade Prince, do it. If you can trade LeVert for a more proven 6th man type, do it.

Gonna strongly disagree here. Dinwiddie and LeVert have the size and quickness to guard 1-3 to some extent.

There are only 2 things that could make the Nets championship favorites and both depend on LeVert:
1. He develops into a star
2. He’s traded for a star

With most stars unavailable at the moment you have to improve the roster around KD/Kyrie while hoping that LeVert can take that leap. There is no proven 6th man type that you could move LeVert for. I challenge you to think of 1 player like that.

As you can see here, both LeVert and Dinwiddie post pretty poor D-PIPM #s both in the current year and multi-year.

I’m aware of the stats but keep in mind that a significant portion of the season he was getting back into his flow from an injury. I’d like to see the last 5-10 games of the season when he got back into his groove.

With LeVert it’s about his potential, not what he was last year. They’re not gonna sell low on him and especially not for any old 6th man.

[getrichordie]

Gonna strongly disagree here. Dinwiddie and LeVert have the size and quickness to guard 1-3 to some extent.

There are only 2 things that could make the Nets championship favorites and both depend on LeVert:
1. He develops into a star
2. He’s traded for a star

With most stars unavailable at the moment you have to improve the roster around KD/Kyrie while hoping that LeVert can take that leap. There is no proven 6th man type that you could move LeVert for. I challenge you to think of 1 player like that.

As you can see here, both LeVert and Dinwiddie post pretty poor D-PIPM #s both in the current year and multi-year.

I’m aware of the stats but keep in mind that a significant portion of the season he was getting back into his flow from an injury. I’d like to see the last 5-10 games of the season when he got back into his groove.

With LeVert it’s about his potential, not what he was last year. They’re not gonna sell low on him and especially not for any old 6th man.

Who said anything about an old 6th man? And again, the multi-year D-PIPM #s would mostly account for a down year this year.

I'm sure Schroder is available for the right price.

[TheBrooklynKidd]

As you can see here, both LeVert and Dinwiddie post pretty poor D-PIPM #s both in the current year and multi-year.

I’m aware of the stats but keep in mind that a significant portion of the season he was getting back into his flow from an injury. I’d like to see the last 5-10 games of the season when he got back into his groove.

With LeVert it’s about his potential, not what he was last year. They’re not gonna sell low on him and especially not for any old 6th man.

Who said anything about an old 6th man? And again, the multi-year D-PIPM #s would mostly account for a down year this year.

I'm sure Schroder is available for the right price.

Hes struggled with injuries his entire career. That’s the knock on him and the main reason his value is low. If you’re trying to compete for a championship you don’t sell low on guys who have shown potential.

Schroder is a UFA in 2021 and we already have Dinwiddie and Kyrie. Trading for him wouldn’t accomplish any of the team’s goals.

[getrichordie]

I’m aware of the stats but keep in mind that a significant portion of the season he was getting back into his flow from an injury. I’d like to see the last 5-10 games of the season when he got back into his groove.

With LeVert it’s about his potential, not what he was last year. They’re not gonna sell low on him and especially not for any old 6th man.

Who said anything about an old 6th man? And again, the multi-year D-PIPM #s would mostly account for a down year this year.

I'm sure Schroder is available for the right price.

Hes struggled with injuries his entire career. That’s the knock on him and the main reason his value is low. If you’re trying to compete for a championship you don’t sell low on guys who have shown potential.

Schroder is a UFA in 2021 and we already have Dinwiddie and Kyrie. Trading for him wouldn’t accomplish any of the team’s goals.

Defensively speaking, the point still stands.

LeVert has shown some flash of being a scorer, but he really is only above average at pull up 3s, which is valuable, but not irreplaceable. He doesn't really excel at driving, being a P&R ball-handler, or in ISO situations, etc. so I struggle to understand why you are so high on him when Harris is more proven and Dinwiddie can do what LeVert can.

And sure you have Dinwiddie, but Dinwiddie isn't better than Schroder and you would be getting his bird rights. Schroder is significantly better. But I understand if there is another, more preferable avenue.

[TheBrooklynKidd]

Who said anything about an old 6th man? And again, the multi-year D-PIPM #s would mostly account for a down year this year.

I'm sure Schroder is available for the right price.

Hes struggled with injuries his entire career. That’s the knock on him and the main reason his value is low. If you’re trying to compete for a championship you don’t sell low on guys who have shown potential.

Schroder is a UFA in 2021 and we already have Dinwiddie and Kyrie. Trading for him wouldn’t accomplish any of the team’s goals.

Defensively speaking, the point still stands.

LeVert has shown some flash of being a scorer, but he really is only above average at pull up 3s, which is valuable, but not irreplaceable. He doesn't really excel at driving, being a P&R ball-handler, or in ISO situations, etc. so I struggle to understand why you are so high on him when Harris is more proven and Dinwiddie can do what LeVert can.

And sure you have Dinwiddie, but Dinwiddie isn't better than Schroder and you would be getting his bird rights. Schroder is significantly better. But I understand if there is another, more preferable avenue.

Schroeder is not better than Dinwiddie my friend. Better defender, yes but Dinwiddies impact on the offensive end was significantly higher by every metric and he didn’t have Chris Paul to help him out.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1_hint=Spencer+Dinwiddie&player_id1_select=Spencer+Dinwiddie&y1=2020&player_id1=dinwisp01&idx=bbr__players&player_id2_hint=Dennis+Schröder&player_id2_select=Dennis+Schröder&y2=2020&player_id2=schrode01&idx=bbr__players

According to Pipm on basketball index it isn’t close either. Dinwiddie’s advantage on offense is more than double Shroders advantage on the defensive end.

Replacing Dinwiddie with Shroder would be extremely questionable even before you consider the fact that Dinwiddie is on a cheaper deal and has a strong relationship with Kyrie/KD and the organization as a whole.

[getrichordie]

Maybe you could so something around LeVert for Barton?

[TheBrooklynKidd]

Maybe you could so something around LeVert for Barton?

Hard no. We’re not gonna lower the team’s ceiling to raise the floor. You can raise the floor without moving LeVert.

Like I said he’s only being moved in a deal for a star, otherwise we’re riding it out for better or worse.

[getrichordie]

Maybe you could so something around LeVert for Barton?

Hard no. We’re not gonna lower the team’s ceiling to raise the floor. You can raise the floor without moving LeVert.

Like I said he’s only being moved in a deal for a Star, otherwise we’re riding it out for better or worse.

At this point, I think you are over-valuing LeVert, especially given his contract. I don't think you are going to be able to find a star. Maybe a low level one if you include a bunch of picks and use Allen as a trade chip if the receiving team is motivated. I still think Holiday is your best shot, but Barton is coming off an outstanding year whereas Holiday is coming off a down year.

[getrichordie]

Hes struggled with injuries his entire career. That’s the knock on him and the main reason his value is low. If you’re trying to compete for a championship you don’t sell low on guys who have shown potential.

Schroder is a UFA in 2021 and we already have Dinwiddie and Kyrie. Trading for him wouldn’t accomplish any of the team’s goals.

Defensively speaking, the point still stands.

LeVert has shown some flash of being a scorer, but he really is only above average at pull up 3s, which is valuable, but not irreplaceable. He doesn't really excel at driving, being a P&R ball-handler, or in ISO situations, etc. so I struggle to understand why you are so high on him when Harris is more proven and Dinwiddie can do what LeVert can.

And sure you have Dinwiddie, but Dinwiddie isn't better than Schroder and you would be getting his bird rights. Schroder is significantly better. But I understand if there is another, more preferable avenue.

Schroeder is not better than Dinwiddie my friend. Better defender, yes but Dinwiddies impact on the offensive end was significantly higher by every metric and he didn’t have Chris Paul to help him out.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1_hint=Spencer+Dinwiddie&player_id1_select=Spencer+Dinwiddie&y1=2020&player_id1=dinwisp01&idx=bbr__players&player_id2_hint=Dennis+Schröder&player_id2_select=Dennis+Schröder&y2=2020&player_id2=schrode01&idx=bbr__players

According to Pipm on basketball index it isn’t close either. Dinwiddie’s advantage on offense is more than double Shroders advantage on the defensive end.

Replacing Dinwiddie with Shroder would be extremely questionable even before you consider the fact that Dinwiddie is on a cheaper deal and has a strong relationship with Kyrie/KD and the organization as a whole.

Dinwiddie shot the ball at 31% this year compared to Schroder's 38%. When you take into account that Irving is coming back, what is Dinwiddie's role? Schroder would be much better coming off the bench and his fit next to Irving and Durant is better and would be just as good as Dinwiddie (if not better) at running the team than Dinwiddie would in the event that Kyrie got hurt.