NotACat wrote:SmartWentCrazy wrote:I do think that Bamba has shown enough promise in year 2 that it makes sense to see what you’ve got in him. I also think that the theory of an Isaac/Bamba front court makes a ton of sense and that Orlando would be best suited in trading AG/Vuc to see what they’ve got.
Would Vuc to Chicago for OPJ make any sense?
OPJ makes a ton of sense of Orlando if they're also sending out Aaron Gordon. OPJ is ideal fit next to JI.nevetsov wrote:TOR in: Vucevic
TOR out: Lowry, #28
MIA in: Lowry
MIA out: #23, Iggy (exp), Olynyk (exp)
ORL in: #23 (MIA), #28 (TOR), Iggy* & Olynyk (both expiring)
ORL out: Vucevic
* maybe GSW takes Iggy with their TPE?
I think Vuc would fill a big hole in Toronto, they have been filling the C spot with stopgap vets like Gasol and Ibaka for years. He'd immediately be the best C since... ? I can't even recall.
He's not too old to get some mileage with their young core of Siakam, Anouby and FVV. That's a bit of defensive bulldoggery around him too.
Trading Lowry would only happen if they are willing to fully hand the reigns over to FVV (which I think they will). It would be a tough pill for the fans to swallow trading someone so beloved who has been a franchise fixture for so long. But it does happen to vets entering the twilight of their careers. He's still good enough to contribute and TOR gets some return on his expiring deal.
Is a sturdy young lineup.
Lowry is ontraded to MIA to be a third banana with Jimmy and Bam. MIA gets to kick the tyres for next to nothing.
ORL gets a bit of cap relief and a couple of late 1sts.
Can't see Toronto touching this, Lowry is a stud and they don't need Vuc.Buzzard wrote:Skybox wrote:
We don’t need a defensive rim-runner like Capela. Vuc is a superior Player, with a much more complete game. Granted, Capela is a far superior rim protector and a comparable rebounder but Bamba projects to surpass Capela when given the minutes. Only way I’d want a center back would be a solid backup vet (like a Robin Lopez) along with a primary asset in a package...or a floor stretching Big like Lauri to give Orl different looks at the PF/C spots. Generally, I’m looking for a wing offensive creator with D a secondary concern. Maybe a guy who scores like a All-StAr but catches flack for his defensive contribution Or efficiency like Lavine, Derozan, or Wiggins. Put Isaac, Bamba, Gordon(?) behind them and maybe they look better or even buy in to team D.
If you need to retool your team, its the best pieces you have to use. Vucevic and Gordon are about it. So yes if we are talking checkers, you need more than a rim runner to fix your team. But if we are talking chess, who is to say Gordon does not get you a decent shooter and you do some good with your pick as well.
I get Vuc is your best offensive player; but I don't get what you think needs to be done to build around him. Or what you need to build around Gordon. Its like all I see is people throwing darts with no clear end game.
Why not flip the script. If they are so valuable, trade everyone but Vucevic and Gordon?
Because its an incredibly short-sighted idea with a terribly low ceiling. Fultz, Okeke, JI, and Bamba are the future for Orlando. Everyone else is a reserve or a placeholder until the young core develops.
Orlando has also been really smart about the contracts they've been handing out. Both AG and Vuc have declining contracts so they shouldn't be too worried about hit the cap even with Okeke coming in next year.
So the plan is to stay near a 6th - 8th seed while you wait on the future to develop. I feel your pain and have been a part of a treadmill effort as recently as the Joe Johnson years.
Declining or not though, 26 Million for Vucevic and 18.1 for Gordon is not easy to move. If you lose Fournier, things may get back to where you are at least getting your own lottery pick.