Skin wrote:Buzzard wrote:Skin wrote:You can quote numbers all you want. I'm not saying they are exactly the same. No 2 players are. Similar shade is all. Good big man on a bad team... more offense than defense oriented... Improperly valued players who will make a lot of money fooling dumb GMs. I hear people here (was it you?) saying Collins is a max guy and that just sounds cringy.
I prefer to point to win/loss record; but pointing out the Magic were 1 game over .500 without Isaac and 6 games under .500 with Isaac for a similar amount of games seems to be an irrelevant point. What matters more to quite a few posters is his 22 year old upside and his on/off court stats.
Without Isaac the Magic were 17 and 16, 33 Games
With Isaac the Magic were 13 and 19, 32 Games
I got no argument against betting on young players and their upside. I just think ignoring some very basic facts when comparing both players is ridiculous. Bet on Isaac all you want, but that does not change the facts he has not been close to the most dependable or trend worthy player in his class by any stretch.
Next season will tell a clearer tale. Collins in his 4th, Isaac in his 4th. It will be interesting to see who keeps helping their team the most while also improving their own games.
The Magic are not built around Isaac being an integral piece yet. He's certainly a big, if not the biggest part of their future, but he's not there yet. So looking at the win loss column is an exercise in poor judgement.
The Hawks decided to blow things up and start a youth movement. Collins is a big part of that. So your W/L record is relative, but it is not a proper reflection of individual value. I applaud the Hawks for the way they are doing it. I think that's the way to go. The Magic are just frustrating to me. They are the 5th highest in the league in terms of player salary. They refuse to bottom out and the minutes that they give to young players is heavily conservative. There literally has to be no other option in order for young guys to play early on and they don't prefer that if they have a choice.
Stats are like a bikini. They show some, but not all.
I agree about stats. I look at them, I search for trends, but at the end of the day, I think Win/Loss record is the ultimate tell all.