Buzzard wrote:SmartWentCrazy wrote:Buzzard wrote:
What I am reading here is Collins improved the Hawks offensively and defensively; and Isaac improved the Magic defensively. You can take bad team, average team, good team out of the equation. Collins cannot help he is on a bad team and Isaac cannot help he is on a average team. The on/off improvement or not is all that matters. I prefer Collins and this is not rocket science.
The Hawks flat out cannot afford to replace Collins, 21.6, 10.1, FG% 58.3, 3P% 40.1, TS% .659 with Isaac 12.0, 6.9, FG% 46.3, 3P% 33.0, TS% .542.
Isaac as I said would be a great fit on a good offensive team. I am not arguing against him for a good offensive team. Unfortunately the Magic as currently built and the Hawks without Collins are not that. The Hawks were 30th in Offensive Rating without Collins. As stated earlier, this trade is a pass all day.
14 out of 24 votes who say Isaac has more value is hardly a landslide in Isaac's favor.
A) its easier to improve a terrible team to bad than a bad team to above average, no? I believe it is, as such I weight what Isaac does more than Collins when assessing value. I also value one player being able to make something elite [said another way, Isaac has an elite skill while Collins does not]
B) Understood the Hawks need Collins O. I believe that DPOY level big men have more value than mediocre D, great O big men. We can agree to disagree if you prefer.
C) I didn't say anything regarding the poll results; rather, I speculated more teams would prefer Isaac to Collins.
I do not believe in your point about being easy to turn around a bad team. Playing with poor teammates is never a plus. Missed assignments, rotations, turnovers, nothing good and quite disheartening to be honest.
The idea is your teammates help make you better. Playing around a bunch of vets is a plus. Isaac definitely has a strong advantage in that regard. He was the youngest player in their primary rotation. Collins was the oldest minus Alex Len and then Dedmon.
Hawks are flat out to young to compete right now; hopefully things get better. Capela at 26 is a solid start.
Collins and Trae are solids. Orlando should shop for a efficient scorer like Collins; but that is much easier said than done. Just judging by the recent contracts, 18 efficient points a game starts at around 20 million a year and goes up.
We wont trade for Collins becouse we think having a forward who is average defensively puts a ceiling on a team. His offense is nice but how much he is using his skill when he is spoting up for Trae ? Thats why there are many rumors about his fit, his skillset makes him more expensive but less useful. When you cant handle the ball or create for others or pull up for shots you are not really as valueable as your stats imply.