Re: LaVine to Milwaukee
Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:48 pm
Pass from the Bulls-not nearly worth it
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Resistance wrote:Once LaVine gets slotted/labeled as a sixth man on a contender, it will be hard to shake that reputation. Sixth men tend to get paid less and I have him not being happy being demoted to a sixth man role instead of having the spotlight like he currently has in Chicago.
His destiny on a contender very well could be as a sixth man, but I don't have him ready to happily accept that role at this point in his career.
rugbyrugger23 wrote:Resistance wrote:rugbyrugger23 wrote:And that is news? All superior skilled professional athletes think highly of themselves. Sorry, but I find this to be a waters is wet detail.
From the OP...Bucks slide Donte into the starting lineup and use LaVine as a super 6th, something like rich men Lou. He may be finishing the games in case Bled gets cold again in crunch time.
I don't have him taking it well when he is coming off the bench in Milwaukee when he thinks that he should have been an All-Star this season.
Maybe. Maybe not. I think a big part hinging on this trade would be LaVine’s actual input to this exact line of questioning.
But if Bucks can pull the trigger for this cost, as long as LaVine’s answer wasn’t outright melancholy, low risk high reward for championship minded team.
slos wrote:Resistance wrote:Once LaVine gets slotted/labeled as a sixth man on a contender, it will be hard to shake that reputation. Sixth men tend to get paid less and I have him not being happy being demoted to a sixth man role instead of having the spotlight like he currently has in Chicago.
His destiny on a contender very well could be as a sixth man, but I don't have him ready to happily accept that role at this point in his career.
LaVine is now clear that he wants to win and it’s also clear that a team that wants to win can’t have LaVine as 1st or 2nd best player. Maybe LaVine will never cope with this, but if he ever does now it’s the time.
What better opportunity could he get to change his mindset than joining the best team in the NBA? Sure there are some red flags and the 6th role (even if he plays 30 mpg) is something tough for the player, but I see plenty of possibilities for this to work both for the team and the player.
LaVine is now clear that he wants to win and it’s also clear that a team that wants to win can’t have LaVine as 1st or 2nd best player. Maybe LaVine will never cope with this, but if he ever does now it’s the time.
BullyKing wrote:ChettheJet wrote:People worry about Lavine being a sixth man for a contender and not worth what he would ask for in two years from a contender. The heck with all that noise.
You're asking for the Bulls best player right F'n now, that #18 pick and a couple of guys to release rather than pay airfare for and a pick 4 years out is not helping the Bulls improve their team one bit. Let MIL go find some other 6th man for that low grade return and good luck having in division IND help you out grabbing up some playoff help.
So the Bucks aren't supposed to consider whether Lavine would sulk if not starting or whether he is resignable in two years in deciding whether to offer a distant future unprotected pick but they are supposed to consider/care that Lavine is currently the Bulls best player? Seems like you're labeling the wrong consideration as "noise".
slos wrote:Resistance wrote:Once LaVine gets slotted/labeled as a sixth man on a contender, it will be hard to shake that reputation. Sixth men tend to get paid less and I have him not being happy being demoted to a sixth man role instead of having the spotlight like he currently has in Chicago.
His destiny on a contender very well could be as a sixth man, but I don't have him ready to happily accept that role at this point in his career.
LaVine is now clear that he wants to win and it’s also clear that a team that wants to win can’t have LaVine as 1st or 2nd best player. Maybe LaVine will never cope with this, but if he ever does now it’s the time.
What better opportunity could he get to change his mindset than joining the best team in the NBA? Sure there are some red flags and the 6th role (even if he plays 30 mpg) is something tough for the player, but I see plenty of possibilities for this to work both for the team and the player.
Showtime23 wrote:BullyKing wrote:ChettheJet wrote:People worry about Lavine being a sixth man for a contender and not worth what he would ask for in two years from a contender. The heck with all that noise.
You're asking for the Bulls best player right F'n now, that #18 pick and a couple of guys to release rather than pay airfare for and a pick 4 years out is not helping the Bulls improve their team one bit. Let MIL go find some other 6th man for that low grade return and good luck having in division IND help you out grabbing up some playoff help.
So the Bucks aren't supposed to consider whether Lavine would sulk if not starting or whether he is resignable in two years in deciding whether to offer a distant future unprotected pick but they are supposed to consider/care that Lavine is currently the Bulls best player? Seems like you're labeling the wrong consideration as "noise".
Thats not the Bulls concern whether Lavine will resign or not. How the hell is AK supposed to know whether Giannis will be a future buck which decides Lavine resigning?
I mean your still taking the best player on a NBA team so you better prepare to pay up. Theres a lot of suitors including NYK/Nets who have boatload of assets to offer. Bucks are the beggers, not the Bulls.
Couch Potato wrote:Bucks are taking on salary. Ersan and Wilson is $11.5M combined. LaVine is $19.5M. Not sure the salary of the pick. But LaVine be a expensive bench player. Nice to have extra weapons. But a bit costly. Also not enough minutes to go around. Also cap probably going down. Ersan isn't a fully guaranteed contract next season. So Bulls could trade him to a tax team for maybe a second round pick and that team waives him. I see the Bulls saying no. Not sure if the Bucks owners ready to be in the tax unless they win it all and want a back to back championship then maybe. Also LaVine most likely is a player Bud wouldn't want.
Ruzious wrote:Even if it did, the Bucks would be best suited to get a talented young player in a rookie deal.
BadWolf wrote:Ruzious wrote:Even if it did, the Bucks would be best suited to get a talented young player in a rookie deal.
Not sure why this is pointed out so much, just about every team would prefer same production player on rookie. Stands correct for all the players, not just Lavine.
I think Zach would fit greatly on the Bucks. He's improving on defense and his shortcomings would be masked with other strong defenders. He'd fit perfectly with DDV now and as a backcourt of the future.
As far as a price... Don't think Bucks have what Bulls need, so it's a moot point
Ruzious wrote:Couch Potato wrote:Bucks are taking on salary. Ersan and Wilson is $11.5M combined. LaVine is $19.5M. Not sure the salary of the pick. But LaVine be a expensive bench player. Nice to have extra weapons. But a bit costly. Also not enough minutes to go around. Also cap probably going down. Ersan isn't a fully guaranteed contract next season. So Bulls could trade him to a tax team for maybe a second round pick and that team waives him. I see the Bulls saying no. Not sure if the Bucks owners ready to be in the tax unless they win it all and want a back to back championship then maybe. Also LaVine most likely is a player Bud wouldn't want.
Has that been addressed - How does it fit under the CBA?
Even if it did, the Bucks would be best suited to get a talented young player in a rookie deal. Other than DDV, they're lacking that in their current salary structure. And it's not much of a deal for Chicago. I think it's a no for both teams.