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Washington/New York/Philly/Phoenix 

Post#1 » by Bentley1225 » Thu Jul 30, 2020 6:50 pm

Ill offer this 4 way deal (un-realistic but trying to simplify it) for:
-Washington to create more cap space/add youth as they look to re-sign Bertrans while managing cap
-New York adds a big name as they look to get a veteran PG still in his prime, injuries aside
-Philly looks to trim luxury tax bill and get out of the Horford contract
-Suns clear up glut of swingmen and get a starting 4 on a short term deal to maintain 2021 flexibility

To Washington (Trade Wall)
-Al Horford (3 years, $69 million guaranteed)
-Dennis Smith Jr. (1 year, $5.7 million plus QO)
-Kevin Knox (1 year, $4.5 million plus TO)
-2021 New York 2nd round pick via Philly
-2022 New York 2nd round pick
-2023 Atlanta, Charlotte or Brooklyn 2nd round pick (most favorable) via Philly

To New York (Trade Randle, Knox, Smith, 2022 2nd)
-John Wall (3 years, $133 million) - waive 15% trade kicker
-2022 Philly 1st round pick

To Philly (Trade Horford, 2022 1st, 2 2nds)
-Kelly Oubre (1 year, $14.4 million)

To Phoenix (Trade Oubre Jr.)
-Julius Randle (1 year, $18.9 million + $4 million guaranteed)


Why?
-The Wizards create more space while getting Horford whom can split time at the 5 with Bryant, Smith and Knox get a change of scenery with limited risk associated with them while Wizards get back 2nd round picks they dont own in 2021 and 2023

Smith/1st?/Smith Jr.
Beal/Robinson/Bonga?
Brown/Knox/Schofield
Hachimura/Bertrans?/Wagner
Horford/Bryant/2nd

-The Knicks buy low on Wall to look to enhance starting 5 around him/Barrett/2020 1st/Robinson

Wall/Ntilikina/FA?
1st/Dotson/Pinson
Barrett/Bullock/Brazdeikis
Portis?/Gibson?/2nd
Robinson/FA?/1st

-The Sixers create greater flexibility surrounding luxury tax while they can start Oubre at the 3.

Simmons/Milton/2nd
Richardson/Smith/Korkmaz
Oubre/Thybulle/2nd
Harris/Scott/2nd
Embiid/1st/FA?

-The Suns clear up glut of swingmen by add a starting 4 in Randle

Rubio/Jerome/Lecque
Booker/1st/Okobo
Bridges/Johnson/FA?
Randle/Kaminsky?/2nd
Ayton/Baynes?/Diallo
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Re: Washington/New York/Philly/Phoenix 

Post#2 » by Ghost of Kleine » Thu Jul 30, 2020 6:57 pm

No thank you from Phoenix.
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Re: Washington/New York/Philly/Phoenix 

Post#3 » by Resistance » Thu Jul 30, 2020 6:58 pm

-The Suns clear up glut of swingmen by add a starting 4 in Randle

Rubio/Jerome/Lecque
Booker/1st/Okobo
Bridges/Johnson/FA?
Randle/Kaminsky?/2nd
Ayton/Baynes?/Diallo



The spacing might be suspect with Randle, Ayton and Rubio on the court together.
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Re: Washington/New York/Philly/Phoenix 

Post#4 » by Godaddycurse » Thu Jul 30, 2020 6:58 pm

Why not just give randle to philly/leave phoenix out if this altogether
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Post#5 » by Resistance » Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:06 pm

Godaddycurse wrote:Why not just give randle to philly/leave phoenix out if this altogether


I don't see a role for Randle with Simmons being a poor outside shooter.

If NYK can't move Randle, then it jams up the entire deal.


Maybe drop Phoenix and bring in Detroit.

Snell to Philly with Randle + compensation to Detroit.
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Re: Washington/New York/Philly/Phoenix 

Post#6 » by youngcrev » Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:34 pm

If New York is willing to take on Wall, I imagine there's a much simpler deal to be had between those 2 teams.
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Re: Washington/New York/Philly/Phoenix 

Post#7 » by giberish » Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:40 pm

Oubre for Randle seems like a hard no from Phoenix. I expect getting anywhere near that value for Randle anywhere is an issue.

I'd also say that any Wall deal is unrealistic. I can't see an outside team team taking him on at anything less than a major premium (more premium then just a future late 1st). Meanwhile I expect Washington is still hoping he can come back as a useful player (if overpaid on his contract). At that point he could be tradeable for a reasonable deal.
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Re: Washington/New York/Philly/Phoenix 

Post#8 » by Rockazoids » Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:44 pm

It's going to take more than 2022 Plilly 1st to move John Wall contract. And you want a young player and picks too. Wow
This deal is dead on arrival.

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Post#9 » by VDT » Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:14 pm

Yes its laughable for the Knicks.
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Re: Washington/New York/Philly/Phoenix 

Post#10 » by Rockazoids » Thu Jul 30, 2020 9:05 pm

VDT wrote:Yes its laughable for the Knicks.

Hear is something else that's laughable bad for Phoenix
Phoenix Trade Oubre Jr. (1 year, $14.4 million)
New York Trade Randle,Julius Randle (1 year, $18.9 million + $4 million guaranteed)
So why would NY let Philly walk in on this deal?
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Re: Washington/New York/Philly/Phoenix 

Post#11 » by Knickfan1982 » Sun Aug 2, 2020 2:18 am

Bentley1225 wrote:Ill offer this 4 way deal (un-realistic but trying to simplify it) for:
-Washington to create more cap space/add youth as they look to re-sign Bertrans while managing cap
-New York adds a big name as they look to get a veteran PG still in his prime, injuries aside
-Philly looks to trim luxury tax bill and get out of the Horford contract
-Suns clear up glut of swingmen and get a starting 4 on a short term deal to maintain 2021 flexibility

To Washington (Trade Wall)
-Al Horford (3 years, $69 million guaranteed)
-Dennis Smith Jr. (1 year, $5.7 million plus QO)
-Kevin Knox (1 year, $4.5 million plus TO)
-2021 New York 2nd round pick via Philly
-2022 New York 2nd round pick
-2023 Atlanta, Charlotte or Brooklyn 2nd round pick (most favorable) via Philly

To New York (Trade Randle, Knox, Smith, 2022 2nd)
-John Wall (3 years, $133 million) - waive 15% trade kicker
-2022 Philly 1st round pick

To Philly (Trade Horford, 2022 1st, 2 2nds)
-Kelly Oubre (1 year, $14.4 million)

To Phoenix (Trade Oubre Jr.)
-Julius Randle (1 year, $18.9 million + $4 million guaranteed)


Why?
-The Wizards create more space while getting Horford whom can split time at the 5 with Bryant, Smith and Knox get a change of scenery with limited risk associated with them while Wizards get back 2nd round picks they dont own in 2021 and 2023

Smith/1st?/Smith Jr.
Beal/Robinson/Bonga?
Brown/Knox/Schofield
Hachimura/Bertrans?/Wagner
Horford/Bryant/2nd

-The Knicks buy low on Wall to look to enhance starting 5 around him/Barrett/2020 1st/Robinson

Wall/Ntilikina/FA?
1st/Dotson/Pinson
Barrett/Bullock/Brazdeikis
Portis?/Gibson?/2nd
Robinson/FA?/1st

-The Sixers create greater flexibility surrounding luxury tax while they can start Oubre at the 3.

Simmons/Milton/2nd
Richardson/Smith/Korkmaz
Oubre/Thybulle/2nd
Harris/Scott/2nd
Embiid/1st/FA?

-The Suns clear up glut of swingmen by add a starting 4 in Randle

Rubio/Jerome/Lecque
Booker/1st/Okobo
Bridges/Johnson/FA?
Randle/Kaminsky?/2nd
Ayton/Baynes?/Diallo



Yikes. We take on John Wall and have to wait 2 years for compensation for taking on all that money.
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Re: Washington/New York/Philly/Phoenix 

Post#12 » by penbeast0 » Sun Aug 2, 2020 3:09 am

It seems Wall and Horford are viewed as positive value, Wall quite a bit positive, despite the contracts. That certainly hasn't been this board's take on either. As a Wizards fan who generally hates Wall deals (gee, let's have Washington trade Wall, a young player, and a first for your shorter bad contracts . . . no), this seems like a steal for us.
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