Imo you can't count player value that easily. is oladipo going to be 3x better than warren even if he recovers to form?
Didn't know turner and warren turned into an all-star overnight. FWIW i was basing my proposal off previous value thread where people said warren is about mid-late lotto pick, turner early lotto pick, while siakam is worth #1 overall + more. Its cool if both sides prefer their own players though. I was just chiming in on the other person's suggestion for a siakam trade.
I was comparing the season that Warren and Siakam had, and TBH they are close enough to me (especially if the playoffs are taken into consideration)
What tipped me towards a no is the difference in the money that they make. Siakam is the better and more valuable player overall definitely, but I don't think he is three times better than Warren, even though he makes three times the money
It also means that to make a Warren-Siakam swap possible, Pacers will need to add salary fillers, such as McDermott + Lamb. Granted Lamb is injured atm, but a McDermott + Lamb package still has positive value. Add in a pick as well, and it starts getting tough to balance the value, to me. And if Turner is added into the mix too, then that becomes a very firm no
no but pacers will still pay him the max. There is a finite amount of playing time/ball to go around and at the end of the day it is a stars' league. Especially for a team with solid depth on their bench and other good starters sabonis/oladipo/brogdon, it is better to consolidate their assets to get another all star vs having another 2 good starters imo (money being neutral for next 2 years). Siakam will be entering his prime and is controlled for 4 years, where as warren will only be cheap for 2 more and Turner controlled 3 more.
That's why if there's a way to make a one to one Warren-Siakam swap (for example, if Pacers have the cap space to absorb the salary difference), there's no reason for Pacers to say no, and no reason for Raptors to say yes
But there isn't a way for a one to one swap, so salary fillers will be needed
As mentioned, the salary fillers from Pacers all have positive value. Add in a pick as well, and that tips me towards no. It's definitely something that both sides can haggle over, depending on the needs of their team, and it may be the case where both teams prefer their own players as you said
It's when Turner gets thrown in as well it becomes a firm no