NYG wrote: dalton749 wrote:
I also think, unless it's an old vet on your own team, so many fans ignore the huge benefit that solid veterans on a young team can play, if those vets are willing. Everyone in a rebuild wants to sell off anyone 28 and older. But then you get a PG who doesn't learn great PnR mechanics, because he has a young big that doesn't set good screens. Or a young big that sets great screens, but doesn't learn the roll or the pop, because he has a young PG who doesn't know how to properly utilize screens, or throw lobs, entry passes, etc.
I think of the role Chris Paul played for OKC this year, and I think the knowledge he imparted, and the competitive, playoff games, competing games that he helped them get to are invaluable for younger guys, versus trotting out a youth squad and learning through losing.
Exactly. Having that stabilizing veteran on the floor is the key to developing young talent. You don’t have that and your top picks will bust or not max out their potential over and over again unless they are a generational talent.
To me, a team like Atlanta should be going after one of those guys hard not trying to develop 6 young guys at one time. Trae is ready for the playoffs, give him a running mate like derozan for example and they’re in the mix next year while also giving reddish a really good environment to grow.
I use derozan as an example because he can probably be had for peanuts but people act like their lottery teams are too good for him because he isn’t a shooter or great defender. They fail to realize the stability that he brings by giving you a guaranteed 20 points every night while getting to the line a lot and being able to bail you out when the clock runs down. He’s been to a conference finals and has been at the Center of a top 10 offense for like a decade but “I would take him as a 6th man” is all people here can come up with.
I agree with a lot of the things being said here. It's why Chris Paul to NY has grown on me. Nothing with that cap space or the relatively minor asset used to get him could provide the leadership, mentorship, culture shaping, tricks of the trade and ability to run a proper offense and find the young guys is the best spots for their development that Chris Paul does. If he likes it there, that's huge credibility in the league for future free agents, but you're actually sticking to the rebuilding path by getting Paul in my opinion. You don't necessarily need the first overall pick, if the Knicks sneak into the 8th seed in the East with Paul then isn't that playoff experience valuable to the young guys? Can't your scouting find a good player in the draft still?
Franchises like Miami are always looking to do what it takes to win and a bunch of the time they have as a result.
I think that is absolutely the worst idea possible for the Knicks. A team like ATL is different because they have a young player in Trae worth building around, and are trending upward. Knicks are no were close to finding that player to ‘build around’.
I think the impact of CP3’s intangibles and development of others is overblown. OKC were good because their players played high level ball. That’s it. Not because CP3 developed them.
Can’t see a single free agent of note coming to NY for a 36 year old CP3 taking up $45 mill of the cap.
Imo the key to develop young players is to actually play them. They don’t need vets in the way of much needed development minutes.
Presti has been a masterclass in building up the Thunder, and is now starting another rebuild. There’s a reason CP3 won’t be in a Thunder uniform next season, despite the ‘credibility’ he would bring the Thunder.