Free Agency, Rumors, Thoughts in General 2.0

Post #761 » by **loserX** » Mon Nov 30, 2020 6:50 pm

Buzzard wrote:So is the below fine print another reason to do a SNT? To be able to trade the player sooner than three months. That would make sense to me as to why the Hawks elected to turn Gallinari into a SNT.

A free agent who signs a standard NBA player contract (or a player who signs, or is converted to, a standard NBA player contract while under a Two-Way Contract) cannot be traded for three months following the date the contract is signed or until December 15 of the Salary Cap Year in which the contract is signed, whichever is later.

For sign-and-trade transactions, the foregoing rule does not apply to the initial trade but rather applies if the contract is traded a second time.

I don't think you're reading that right.

The term "initial trade" applies to the team sign-and-trading him, in this case OKC. They were able to trade him immediately after signing because of this specific exception instead of having to wait.

If Atlanta trades him, that becomes the "second time" he is traded, so the three-month rule *does* apply to him now that he is on Atlanta.

Buzzard · Post #762 » by **Buzzard** » Mon Nov 30, 2020 6:54 pm

loserX wrote:
Buzzard wrote:So is the below fine print another reason to do a SNT? To be able to trade the player sooner than three months. That would make sense to me as to why the Hawks elected to turn Gallinari into a SNT.

A free agent who signs a standard NBA player contract (or a player who signs, or is converted to, a standard NBA player contract while under a Two-Way Contract) cannot be traded for three months following the date the contract is signed or until December 15 of the Salary Cap Year in which the contract is signed, whichever is later.

For sign-and-trade transactions, the foregoing rule does not apply to the initial trade but rather applies if the contract is traded a second time.

I don't think you're reading that right.

The term "initial trade" applies to the team sign-and-trading him, in this case OKC. They were able to trade him immediately after signing because of this specific exception instead of having to wait.

If Atlanta trades him, that becomes the "second time" he is traded, so the three-month rule *does* apply to him now that he is on Atlanta.

So it will be the end of February before most of these free agents can be traded.

Post #763 » by **MoneyTalks41890** » Tue Dec 1, 2020 2:26 am

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Post #764 » by **loserX** » Tue Dec 1, 2020 2:52 am

Don't see these mentioned so quick hits:

- Gerald Green on an unguaranteed deal back to Houston
- Jared Dudley on a 1-year vet min back to Lakers
- Udonis Haslem (yes, really!) on a 1-year vet min back to Heat

Post #765 » by **Trader_Joe** » Tue Dec 1, 2020 2:56 am

Elie Okobo - Nets
No contract details yet. Assuming a non-guaranteed camp invite or maybe a 2 way if they don't keep Jeremiah Martin.

Edit - Chiozza got the last spot instead. Premature tweet.

NYG · Post #766 » by **NYG** » Tue Dec 1, 2020 2:58 am

loserX wrote:Don't see these mentioned so quick hits:

- Gerald Green on an unguaranteed deal back to Houston
- Jared Dudley on a 1-year vet min back to Lakers
- Udonis Haslem (yes, really!) on a 1-year vet min back to Heat

With Vince retiring, is Haslem the oldest player in the league now?

kalenclayton · Post #767 » by **kalenclayton** » Tue Dec 1, 2020 3:31 am

NYG wrote:
loserX wrote:Don't see these mentioned so quick hits:

- Gerald Green on an unguaranteed deal back to Houston
- Jared Dudley on a 1-year vet min back to Lakers
- Udonis Haslem (yes, really!) on a 1-year vet min back to Heat

With Vince retiring, is Haslem the oldest player in the league now?

Yeah. Haslem and Korver are the old farts now.

K_chile22 · Post #768 » by **K_chile22** » Tue Dec 1, 2020 3:55 pm

Don't ask me why but the rockets signed Jerian Grant. Even for a camp deal there were probably better options out there. Was he hurt last year or just racking up DNP-CDs?
Edit: oh, I guess he just signed for the bubble

kalenclayton · Post #769 » by **kalenclayton** » Tue Dec 1, 2020 4:34 pm

K_chile22 wrote:Don't ask me why but the rockets signed Jerian Grant. Even for a camp deal there were probably better options out there. Was he hurt last year or just racking up DNP-CDs?
Edit: oh, I guess he just signed for the bubble

Zhaire Smith is the perfect target for Houston. I want to see him get a shot and that team seems to be the perfect fit for him.

Post #770 » by **jbk1234** » Tue Dec 1, 2020 5:43 pm

MoneyTalks41890 wrote:

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This is a good get for the Wolves at this price. Particularly this late in free agency.

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Buzzard · Post #771 » by **Buzzard** » Tue Dec 1, 2020 10:38 pm

Something, nothing, or everything?

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Post #772 » by **MoneyTalks41890** » Fri Dec 4, 2020 1:13 am

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K_chile22 · Post #773 » by **K_chile22** » Fri Dec 4, 2020 1:43 am

MoneyTalks41890 wrote:

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Maybe he means he hasn't shown up to the facility for individual work outs because he's been in houston for at least two weeks. He's been at UofH working out with both the men's and women's team every day. Weird

LofJ · Post #774 » by **LofJ** » Fri Dec 4, 2020 2:52 am

Harden loves to hoop. He's always playing basketball, even in the off season. I'll never be a huge fan of his game, but I respect his love for the game. It's nonsense to imply that he isn't doing anything to get ready for the season.

Post #775 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Fri Dec 4, 2020 5:59 pm

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Post #776 » by **MoneyTalks41890** » Fri Dec 4, 2020 6:02 pm

Scoot McGroot wrote:

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Lol good. Should be permanent.

jayu70 · Post #777 » by **jayu70** » Fri Dec 4, 2020 8:18 pm

oh well

The Atlanta Hawks offered the Sacramento Kings a 2022 first round pick belonging to the Oklahoma City Thunder in a sign-and-trade for Bogdan Bogdanovic, sources tell Sam Amick of The Athletic.

The Kings rejected the offer, which led the Hawks to be concerned that their four-year, $72 million offer sheet to Bogdanovic would be matched.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/260706/Hawks-Offered-2022-First-Round-Pick-From-Thunder-To-Kings-For-Bogdan-Bogdanovic
Excerpt from article:

One final note on this front: During those two days where the Kings pondered the decision of whether to match Bogdanovic’s deal, the Hawks were concerned they might not land him, in large part, because of what had taken place before the offer sheet had been signed. Sources say Atlanta offered Sacramento its 2022 first-round pick (via Oklahoma City) in a previous sign-and-trade scenario and was rebuffed. And while that pick wasn’t an asset to write home about — it’s protected top 14 in 2022 and becomes two second-rounders (2024 and 2025) if it’s not conveyed — it was better than nothing.

There’s no clarity on why Sacramento would hold onto him at one point only to let him go at the later juncture. But the Hawks — who had a tremendous offseason by adding Danilo Gallinari, Rajon Rondo, Kris Dunn and Bogdanovic, among others — were more than happy to benefit from the change of heart.

Post #778 » by **MoneyTalks41890** » Fri Dec 4, 2020 8:21 pm

jayu70 wrote:oh well
The Atlanta Hawks offered the Sacramento Kings a 2022 first round pick belonging to the Oklahoma City Thunder in a sign-and-trade for Bogdan Bogdanovic, sources tell Sam Amick of The Athletic.

The Kings rejected the offer, which led the Hawks to be concerned that their four-year, $72 million offer sheet to Bogdanovic would be matched.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/260706/Hawks-Offered-2022-First-Round-Pick-From-Thunder-To-Kings-For-Bogdan-Bogdanovic

Did the full article have any salary going back to SAC? Or were they getting a TPE+ the pick? If the latter, just more indecisiveness.

LofJ · Post #779 » by **LofJ** » Fri Dec 4, 2020 8:23 pm

jayu70 wrote:oh well
The Atlanta Hawks offered the Sacramento Kings a 2022 first round pick belonging to the Oklahoma City Thunder in a sign-and-trade for Bogdan Bogdanovic, sources tell Sam Amick of The Athletic.

The Kings rejected the offer, which led the Hawks to be concerned that their four-year, $72 million offer sheet to Bogdanovic would be matched.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/260706/Hawks-Offered-2022-First-Round-Pick-From-Thunder-To-Kings-For-Bogdan-Bogdanovic

That pick won't convey as a 1st, it will be converted into 2024 and 2025 2nds from OKC when the Thunder inevitably miss the playoffs the season after next.

blind prophet · Post #780 » by **blind prophet** » Fri Dec 4, 2020 8:29 pm

jayu70 wrote:oh well
The Atlanta Hawks offered the Sacramento Kings a 2022 first round pick belonging to the Oklahoma City Thunder in a sign-and-trade for Bogdan Bogdanovic, sources tell Sam Amick of The Athletic.

The Kings rejected the offer, which led the Hawks to be concerned that their four-year, $72 million offer sheet to Bogdanovic would be matched.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/260706/Hawks-Offered-2022-First-Round-Pick-From-Thunder-To-Kings-For-Bogdan-Bogdanovic

Never dull in Sacramento, would be nice if we got more context here.

1. Was the offer rejected with the Kings expecting to get DVV?
2. Amick mentioned Vivek and meddling around the time the Hawks offered him the contract, did Vivek tell McNair to hold off?
3. Did the Kings think they could move Buddy and keep Bogi but fail to get anything for Buddy?
4. Did the Kings actually have an offer on Buddy, and McNair decided to keep Bogi but Vivek said you can't trade Buddy?

Jeez, annoying.