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Pinkyring wrote:For Dallas i do james Johnson and Josh Richardson for Lowry

I bet you would.

I'd need a FRP + a prospect. Don't care how bad the contracts are that need to make the numbers work.

TJ Warren + Jeremy Lamb + Edmond Summer

For

Kyle Lowry + pick (haggle over the pick)


Pacers are already starting Aaron Holiday in place of Warren, so why not Lowry, and move Aaron Holiday back to the bench

Raptors buy low on Warren and Lamb, and get a small prospect in Sumner

Topofthekey wrote:TJ Warren + Jeremy Lamb + Edmond Summer

For

Kyle Lowry + pick (haggle over the pick)


Pacers are already starting Aaron Holiday in place of Warren, so why not Lowry, and move Aaron Holiday back to the bench

Raptors buy low on Warren and Lamb, and get a small prospect in Sumner

Wait why are the Raptors giving the best player, taking on a bad contract and giving up a pick exactly? Especially since Warren is injured.

I'm confused.

Texas Chuck wrote:

Topofthekey wrote:TJ Warren + Jeremy Lamb + Edmond Summer

For

Kyle Lowry + pick (haggle over the pick)


Pacers are already starting Aaron Holiday in place of Warren, so why not Lowry, and move Aaron Holiday back to the bench

Raptors buy low on Warren and Lamb, and get a small prospect in Sumner

Wait why are the Raptors giving the best player, taking on a bad contract and giving up a pick exactly? Especially since Warren is injured.

I'm confused.

Was Lamb also a bad contract when he averaged 13/4/2 off the bench last season?

That's the concept of buying low. Lamb wouldn't be given away like this once he's back and playing again

I had Lamb as a bad contract absolutely. I don't see how anyone could argue all this time he's missed somehow increases his value.

Topofthekey wrote:

Texas Chuck wrote:

Topofthekey wrote:TJ Warren + Jeremy Lamb + Edmond Summer

For

Kyle Lowry + pick (haggle over the pick)


Pacers are already starting Aaron Holiday in place of Warren, so why not Lowry, and move Aaron Holiday back to the bench

Raptors buy low on Warren and Lamb, and get a small prospect in Sumner

Wait why are the Raptors giving the best player, taking on a bad contract and giving up a pick exactly? Especially since Warren is injured.

I'm confused.

Was Lamb also a bad contract when he averaged 13/4/2 off the bench last season?

That's the concept of buying low. Lamb wouldn't be given away like this once he's back and playing again

At ten mill he was not a bargain either. And at 28 min a game it is not like he wasn't getting starter min.

How’s that buying low, exactly? Even when healthy, id easily take Lowry and a 1st over that package

patman66 wrote:

Topofthekey wrote:

Texas Chuck wrote:
Wait why are the Raptors giving the best player, taking on a bad contract and giving up a pick exactly? Especially since Warren is injured.

I'm confused.

Was Lamb also a bad contract when he averaged 13/4/2 off the bench last season?

That's the concept of buying low. Lamb wouldn't be given away like this once he's back and playing again

At ten mill he was not a bargain either. And at 28 min a game it is not like he wasn't getting starter min.

Agreed he wasn't a bargain either

But overall value was probably still a small positive. I was using him as a neutral salary filler, so selling low

To provide better roster balance based trade in season, the Raps are going to have to include 1-2 minimum contract guys to balance it out in a deal with Philly which 100% is the deal to be made:

Lowry + Davis + Bembry
for
Green + Scott + Thybulle + Fergusson + 2021 1-20 protected 1st

FVV/Flynn/McCaw
Powell/Thybulle/Thomas
Anunoby/Green/Fergusson
Siakam/Scott/Johnson
Baynes/Boucher/Len

Lowry/Milton/Maxey
Curry/Davis/Joe
Harris/Bembry/Korkmaz
Simmons/FA?
Embiid/Howard/Poirer/Bradley

Texas Chuck wrote:I had Lamb as a bad contract absolutely. I don't see how anyone could argue all this time he's missed somehow increases his value.

Rodney Hood’s agent apparently could.

Topofthekey wrote:

patman66 wrote:

Topofthekey wrote:Was Lamb also a bad contract when he averaged 13/4/2 off the bench last season?

That's the concept of buying low. Lamb wouldn't be given away like this once he's back and playing again

At ten mill he was not a bargain either. And at 28 min a game it is not like he wasn't getting starter min.

Agreed he wasn't a bargain either

But overall value was probably still a small positive. I was using him as a neutral salary filler, so selling low

A small positive if he regains his form. a huge negative if he does not.

BlazersBroncos wrote:

I think that's clearly light, but also if Toronto is dealing Lowry they would almost certainly want future value which means Richardson to a 3rd team.

I think TOR would be more inclined to chase youth. Something like

James Johnson, Dwight Powell, Josh Green, Tyler Bey, Future Protected FRP for Lowry.

I think Josh + FRP is the only way DAL could get Powell into the deal. On the flip side, maybe expand it and send Powell + FRP to ??? and team X sends a more valuable player to TOR?

If Toronto trades Lowry, I don't think they'll be looking for a more valuable player, but rather picks and/or prospects. It would be about starting a reset.

HartfordWhalers wrote:

Texas Chuck wrote:I had Lamb as a bad contract absolutely. I don't see how anyone could argue all this time he's missed somehow increases his value.

Rodney Hood’s agent apparently could.

I have that as a Kris Humphries special.

Bentley1225 wrote:To provide better roster balance based trade in season, the Raps are going to have to include 1-2 minimum contract guys to balance it out in a deal with Philly which 100% is the deal to be made:

Lowry + Davis + Bembry
for
Green + Scott + Thybulle + Fergusson + 2021 1-20 protected 1st

FVV/Flynn/McCaw
Powell/Thybulle/Thomas
Anunoby/Green/Fergusson
Siakam/Scott/Johnson
Baynes/Boucher/Len

Lowry/Milton/Maxey
Curry/Davis/Joe
Harris/Bembry/Korkmaz
Simmons/FA?
Embiid/Howard/Poirer/Bradley

Switch Davis out and McCaw in, and I think that's fair value.

patman66 wrote:

Topofthekey wrote:

patman66 wrote:
At ten mill he was not a bargain either. And at 28 min a game it is not like he wasn't getting starter min.

Agreed he wasn't a bargain either

But overall value was probably still a small positive. I was using him as a neutral salary filler, so selling low

A small positive if he regains his form. a huge negative if he does not.

Again, agreed, the risks are there

Not expecting Raptors to accept the trade. Not expecting Pacers to as well, to be honest (it's not in their interest to sell low on any of their players, and Lowry is likely a one year rental for them, in a year they aren't expected to contend)

But at the very least, this establishes some sort of floor, that other offers or counteroffers can build off of

Topofthekey wrote:

Texas Chuck wrote:

Topofthekey wrote:TJ Warren + Jeremy Lamb + Edmond Summer

For

Kyle Lowry + pick (haggle over the pick)


Pacers are already starting Aaron Holiday in place of Warren, so why not Lowry, and move Aaron Holiday back to the bench

Raptors buy low on Warren and Lamb, and get a small prospect in Sumner

Wait why are the Raptors giving the best player, taking on a bad contract and giving up a pick exactly? Especially since Warren is injured.

I'm confused.

Was Lamb also a bad contract when he averaged 13/4/2 off the bench last season?

That's the concept of buying low. Lamb wouldn't be given away like this once he's back and playing again

there has been debate on here that Lowry's "imminent drop off" is coming and the past is the past. So to that tune, Lamb has done nothing of serious impact in the league, and it is quite irrelevant what he did last year. it only matters what he can do moving forward. the type of injury and how it could effect him is another point to note (I am not informed of his injury status). now if you gave me a 5 year sample of his stats to show his level of play and consistency then maybe you start to have an argument. with that said, adding the pick to Lowry is laughable, the proposed package is very laughable, and you calling it buying low? delusional, truly a very poor offer. Lowry on the pacers makes no sense either as the pacers are not in any serious playoff discussion.

Topofthekey wrote:TJ Warren + Jeremy Lamb + Edmond Summer

For

Kyle Lowry + pick (haggle over the pick)


Pacers are already starting Aaron Holiday in place of Warren, so why not Lowry, and move Aaron Holiday back to the bench

Raptors buy low on Warren and Lamb, and get a small prospect in Sumner

You'd need to start by swinging Warren somewhere for value to Toronto. Then have us give the pick. If no one would give up much for Warren we'd probably have to exchange Sumner for Aaron or Goga. Not that we would or should, but that's what it would likely take. Toronto doesn't care about Warren or Lamb in this scenario so we're not providing them really any value.

What about a 3 way deal with the Pels, if they don't want to match a huge Lonzo deal and want cap space instead?

Raptors - Lonzo Ball, 15-20M in expirings from team X
Pelicans - Lowry
Team X - Eric Bledsoe

Add a pick or role players if you like, I'm just talking structure.

Pelicans get a Lowry-Hart-Ingram-Zion-Adams team (Redick, Hayes) and a ton of cap room this summer coming to keep Lowry or sign or trade for a guard who can shoot it.

Raptors spend their 30M or so left in free agency on matching a Ball offer and signing another young player with the leftover cash. VanVleet-Lonzo gives them 2 point guards but they're no longer short in the backcourt and hopefully a Ball-Siakam pick and roll can be the base of a good offense with OG, Van Vleet and the shooting big we still need (Maybe turn Norm Powell and a sweetener into a Miles Turner trade) projecting as a top 10 defense for years to come.

Potential Bledsoe teams:
Dinwiddie from BKN
Exum from Cleveland (they want to be good and they have their starting 5 + Nance and Osman off the bench, next logical player is a 6th man guard type)
Felicio + Temple from Chicago
Ariza from OKC if they think they can rehab Bledsoe's value and get a first for him next deadline, and he does seem to fit well with the SGA/Hill/Dort/Bagley/Horford group so it's not crazy.

Texas Chuck wrote:

Jack Dempsey wrote:

Texas Chuck wrote:
I think that's clearly light, but also if Toronto is dealing Lowry they would almost certainly want future value which means Richardson to a 3rd team.

Unless they get Harden before.

It would be odd to trade for Harden and then turn around and deal Lowry for Richardson though.

If they get Harden (for Siakam & extra) I totally expect an additional trade involving Lowry or FVV. Having $90mill locked up in Harden, Lowry and FVV seems redundant to me especially when your frontcourt doesn't scare anyone. I'm not necessarily saying Josh Richardson is the guy that would get them to the promised land but I do see him as a win now player. IMO Johnson along with a pick or something would be the one that would go to a 3rd team for a big guy that can help them immediately.

pacers33granger wrote:

Topofthekey wrote:TJ Warren + Jeremy Lamb + Edmond Summer

For

Kyle Lowry + pick (haggle over the pick)


Pacers are already starting Aaron Holiday in place of Warren, so why not Lowry, and move Aaron Holiday back to the bench

Raptors buy low on Warren and Lamb, and get a small prospect in Sumner

You'd need to start by swinging Warren somewhere for value to Toronto. Then have us give the pick. If no one would give up much for Warren we'd probably have to exchange Sumner for Aaron or Goga. Not that we would or should, but that's what it would likely take. Toronto doesn't care about Warren or Lamb in this scenario so we're not providing them really any value.

Yah I wouldn't call giving up a better player and a 1st round pick "buying low" on Warren and Lamb.

Not really sure the Pacers really need Lowry as much as other teams anyway.