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T&T board top 10 worst contracts - Vote for #3

Posted: Mon Feb 1, 2021 3:06 am
by Dr Positivity
2018 list

1. Russell Westbrook (3 years, 132.7 million, includes 3rd year 47.1 million player option)
2. Klay Thompson (4 years, 157.2 million)

Please vote for the #3 lowest trade value player taking into account salary, age, health, etc. and not just their caliber of play. In addition please nominate a player to replace them on the list.

Nominees:

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Andrew Wiggins (3 years, 94.7 million)

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John Wall (3 years, 133 million, includes 3rd year 47.4 million player option)

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Blake Griffin (2 years, 75.8 million, includes 2nd year 39.0 million player option)

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Kevin Love (3 years, 91.5 million)

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D'Angelo Russell (3 years, 90.3 million)

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Al Horford (2 years, 54.5 million, plus 26.5 million 3rd year with 12 million guaranteed)

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Draymond Green (4 years, 99.6 million, includes 4th year 27.6 million player option)

Re: T&T board top 10 worst contracts - Vote for #3

Posted: Mon Feb 1, 2021 3:09 am
by E S V L
Klay? Seriously? Oh, people...

#3 Wiggins

Re: T&T board top 10 worst contracts - Vote for #3

Posted: Mon Feb 1, 2021 3:11 am
by Dr Positivity
Vote John Wall

I think there is more interest in him as a player than Love, but his contract is just too huge.

Nominate Marcus Morris

Put him over Eric Gordon as his deal lasts longer

Re: T&T board top 10 worst contracts - Vote for #3

Posted: Mon Feb 1, 2021 3:18 am
by azwfan
Was thinking Russell here, but after getting a good look at Blake yesterday...

Vote: Blake Griffin

Re: T&T board top 10 worst contracts - Vote for #3

Posted: Mon Feb 1, 2021 3:37 am
by blind prophet
Vote Love
Nominate Harris

Re: T&T board top 10 worst contracts - Vote for #3

Posted: Mon Feb 1, 2021 3:40 am
by blind prophet
azwfan wrote:Was thinking Russell here, but after getting a good look at Blake yesterday...

Vote: Blake Griffin


His contract is nasty, but shorter duration.

Re: T&T board top 10 worst contracts - Vote for #3

Posted: Mon Feb 1, 2021 3:46 am
by shrink
Vote: John Wall

Re: T&T board top 10 worst contracts - Vote for #3

Posted: Mon Feb 1, 2021 3:48 am
by wolves_89
Vote Kevin Love.

Nominate Tobias Harris.

Re: T&T board top 10 worst contracts - Vote for #3

Posted: Mon Feb 1, 2021 3:53 am
by babyjax13
V: Love
N: Harrison Barnes (see below)

babyjax13 wrote:Below average starter at either forward position making ~$20 million/year for 3 seasons when he should be making around $10 million.

EDIT: I've been pretty consistent on the Harrison Barnes is a terrible contract bandwagon, but I'll elaborate.

BPM --- RAPTOR --- RPM
2012-13 --- [-1.7] --- [N/A] --- [-1.13]
2013-14 --- [-1.6] --- [-3.8] --- [-4.16]
2014-15 --- [0.1] --- [-0.5] --- [0.07]
2015-16 --- [-1.3] --- [-1.7] --- [-0.65]
2016-17 --- [-0.8] --- [-0.2] --- [-0.97]
2017-18 --- [-0.5] --- [-1.5] --- [-1.54]
2018-19 --- [-1.4] --- [-1.3] --- [-0.26]
2019-20 --- [-1.4] --- [-1.4] --- [-1.02]
2020-21 --- [0.2] --- [2.7] --- [-0.09]

In almost every season, on almost every team, he has been a negative value player as a starter. So yes, he has size, and he can shoot, and despite that has still managed to be a net-negative as a starter every year of his career except this season, and as of right now, we have a small sample. Maybe he keeps it up all season, if so, that's great! But it's not the Harrison Barnes we've seen for 612 games before this season.

Just take last year as an example, he was 257th (79th at SF) in RAPTOR and 170th (53rd at SF) in RAPTOR WAR last season, that puts him in a rough group with:

Troy Brown Jr.
Andrew Wiggins
Reggie Bullock
James Ennis
Doug McDermott
Cedi Osman
Trevor Ariza
Cam Johnson
Kyle Anderson
Dillon Brooks

And a good chunk of those guys made $8-$13 million a year, and some were even considered overpaid at that [but I'd say it's roughly appropriate]. So, let's say at best, using these players as approximate peers, that Barnes should be a $13 million/year player (entirely appropriate for a 6th or 7th man, or your 5th best starter - probably the role Barnes should be in, a team's 5th to 7th best player), that has him overpaid by $9 million this year, $7 million the next, and $5 million the year after.

Heck, we can even go to 538's player rater, which rates Barnes as a $4.5 million player for this season (so the rough approximation above may be too high from a standpoint that considers metrics absent anything else): https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2021-nba-player-projections/harrison-barnes/

Re: T&T board top 10 worst contracts - Vote for #3

Posted: Mon Feb 1, 2021 3:55 am
by Godaddycurse
vote wall
nominate walker

Re: T&T board top 10 worst contracts - Vote for #3

Posted: Mon Feb 1, 2021 3:59 am
by FNQ
Still DLo. On his 4th team now, a team that's also already getting tired of the experience, begging the question - how many more chances? What role can he actually help a team in? If the Wolves put him on the block, who takes him without significant draft capital coming with him?

Nominate Bertrans

Re: T&T board top 10 worst contracts - Vote for #3

Posted: Mon Feb 1, 2021 4:03 am
by Wolveswin
Wall
Hayward

Re: T&T board top 10 worst contracts - Vote for #3

Posted: Mon Feb 1, 2021 5:20 am
by Crazy-Canuck
Blake: hes done.

Re: T&T board top 10 worst contracts - Vote for #3

Posted: Mon Feb 1, 2021 5:37 am
by WICKED17
Vote... Wall
Nominate... Harris

Re: T&T board top 10 worst contracts - Vote for #3

Posted: Mon Feb 1, 2021 6:00 am
by mg
Vote: Green
Nominate: Harris

Re: T&T board top 10 worst contracts - Vote for #3

Posted: Mon Feb 1, 2021 6:17 am
by jbk1234
Vote Wall

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Re: T&T board top 10 worst contracts - Vote for #3

Posted: Mon Feb 1, 2021 6:51 am
by ejftw
Vote: Wall. He might have more left in the tank than say, Blake, but his deal is longer and will cost more to get out of.

Nominate: Hield. I don't get how Klay can be considered the second worst deal but Buddy isn't a nominee?

Re: T&T board top 10 worst contracts - Vote for #3

Posted: Mon Feb 1, 2021 7:00 am
by SmokeyPaw
Vote wall

Re: T&T board top 10 worst contracts - Vote for #3

Posted: Mon Feb 1, 2021 7:46 am
by Sactowndog
Vote Blake
Nominate Bertans.

Re: T&T board top 10 worst contracts - Vote for #3

Posted: Mon Feb 1, 2021 8:04 am
by FutureKnicksGM
Vote Wall
Nominate Bertans.