[OFFICIAL]: D. Rose to Knicks for Smith Jr, 2nd

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Rose to Knicks: your take?

Rose-Coloured Glasses: Knicks win. Rose is still productive and the cost was meaningless.
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27%
Every Rose Has Its Thorn: Pistons win. This team isn't going anywhere so selling off expiring vets for look-see prospects and 2nds is the right move.
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22%
Everything's Coming Up Roses: both teams win. Knicks get a needed talent upgrade and the rebuilding Pistons get future assets.
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44%
Rose to the Challenge: both teams lose. Knicks shouldn't be giving up assets to satisfy their coach's man-crush, and the Pistons could at least have gotten a *little* more.
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7%
 
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[OFFICIAL]: D. Rose to Knicks for Smith Jr, 2nd 

Post#1 » by bondom34 » Sun Feb 7, 2021 2:20 am

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Seems semi-close. Wasn't sure if thread worthy, feel free to merge :D.

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Re: [Charania]: Knicks and Pistons Engaged in Trade Talks on Rose 

Post#2 » by Saul Goodman » Sun Feb 7, 2021 2:27 am

Kevin Knox
Dennis Smith JR
2nd

For

Rose?
2016 GMAT Blazers

Howard/Nene/
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Re: [Charania]: Knicks and Pistons Engaged in Trade Talks on Rose 

Post#3 » by Kilo » Sun Feb 7, 2021 2:33 am

Seems like it could happen quickly with Rose and the Pistons agreeing and Thibs in NYC wanting it. NYK have the Pistons SRP this year from a round about way, I think that would be the centerpiece coming back to the Pistons as it will certainly be in the 31-35 range.

Seems like Pistons will hold out Rose from playing until he's traded so it seems close and/or they are motivated to work quickly.

Pistons also liked Quickly heading into the draft, but that doesn't seem likely. Also Pistons will need a PG in return as Killian Hayes is out a while still and Delon Wright and mid SRP Saben Lee only other PG's on the Pistons roster.

Frank N and Pistons Sekou Doumbouya are buddies from France and Pistons also drafted Killian Hayes. I'd say Frank N and Pistons SRP will be the trade.
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Re: [Charania]: Knicks and Pistons Engaged in Trade Talks on Rose 

Post#4 » by Laimbeer » Sun Feb 7, 2021 2:40 am

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Re: [Charania]: Knicks and Pistons Engaged in Trade Talks on Rose 

Post#5 » by NYG » Sun Feb 7, 2021 2:41 am

I say it's one of Elfrid Payton, Frank Ntilikina or Dennis Smith Jr. and Pistons 2nd returned
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Re: [Charania]: Knicks and Pistons Engaged in Trade Talks on Rose 

Post#6 » by loserX » Sun Feb 7, 2021 2:49 am

Oh Thibs, you predictable old romantic, you.
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Re: [Charania]: Knicks and Pistons Engaged in Trade Talks on Rose 

Post#7 » by youngcrev » Sun Feb 7, 2021 3:31 am

So on the nose for Thibs. How wasn't there already a million Rose to NY deals proposed on here? (Or was there?)
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Post#8 » by bboyskinnylegs » Sun Feb 7, 2021 3:34 am

I wonder if they'll have video of BJ Armstrong calling him this time:
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Re: [Charania]: Knicks and Pistons Engaged in Trade Talks on Rose 

Post#9 » by Texas Chuck » Sun Feb 7, 2021 5:14 am

youngcrev wrote:So on the nose for Thibs. How wasn't there already a million Rose to NY deals proposed on here? (Or was there?)


less than you think. Which I would have said is to this board's credit. But maybe it turns out not so much lol.
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Re: [Charania]: Knicks and Pistons Engaged in Trade Talks on Rose 

Post#10 » by Texas Chuck » Sun Feb 7, 2021 5:15 am

NYG wrote:I say it's one of Elfrid Payton, Frank Ntilikina or Dennis Smith Jr. and Pistons 2nd returned


Yeah that seems about right. My guess would be Smith because he's the most worthless. Getting back a top 35 pick is about right value wise. Plus saving a million dollars or so.
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Re: [Charania]: Knicks and Pistons Engaged in Trade Talks on Rose 

Post#11 » by gambitx777 » Sun Feb 7, 2021 5:49 am

Would rose want to go back to NYC? Like..... For real id rather see him go to Orlando or NO

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Re: [Charania]: Knicks and Pistons Engaged in Trade Talks on Rose 

Post#12 » by Kurt Heimlich » Sun Feb 7, 2021 5:56 am

youngcrev wrote:So on the nose for Thibs. How wasn't there already a million Rose to NY deals proposed on here? (Or was there?)


Great call on both statements. This is pure Thibs. The next wave of Knicks theory needs to be "Luol Deng, Joakim Noah, Taj GIbson...will the Knicks sign all 3?"
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Re: [Charania]: Knicks and Pistons Engaged in Trade Talks on Rose 

Post#13 » by Rockazoids » Sun Feb 7, 2021 6:04 am

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youngcrev wrote:So on the nose for Thibs. How wasn't there already a million Rose to NY deals proposed on here? (Or was there?)


Great call on both statements. This is pure Thibs. The next wave of Knicks theory needs to be "Luol Deng, Joakim Noah, Taj GIbson...will the Knicks sign all 3?"

They have already sign Taj Gibson.
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Re: [Charania]: Knicks and Pistons Engaged in Trade Talks on Rose 

Post#14 » by DowNY » Sun Feb 7, 2021 8:59 am

youngcrev wrote:So on the nose for Thibs. How wasn't there already a million Rose to NY deals proposed on here? (Or was there?)

I dropped one a week or so ago
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Re: [Charania]: Knicks and Pistons Engaged in Trade Talks on Rose 

Post#15 » by gswhoops » Sun Feb 7, 2021 5:59 pm

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Re: [Charania]: Knicks and Pistons Engaged in Trade Talks on Rose 

Post#16 » by Kilo » Sun Feb 7, 2021 6:08 pm

Draft comp better be the Pistons 2021 SRP because Smith Jr is cooked as a player. He's a small 2-guard who can't shoot. Flashy dunker with no vision.
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Re: [Charania]: Knicks and Pistons Engaged in Trade Talks on Rose 

Post#17 » by Snakebites » Sun Feb 7, 2021 6:23 pm

Yeah I don't see why we'd agree to take any salary back in this deal unless we're getting SOMETHING of meaningful value in exchange for doing so.

I'd be happy to get our second rounder back at this point.
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Re: [Charania]: Knicks and Pistons Engaged in Trade Talks on Rose 

Post#18 » by Laimbeer » Sun Feb 7, 2021 6:52 pm

Why do details of trades seem to come out in pieces?
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Re: [Charania]: Knicks and Pistons Engaged in Trade Talks on Rose 

Post#19 » by Texas Chuck » Sun Feb 7, 2021 6:56 pm

Laimbeer wrote:Why do details of trades seem to come out in pieces?


in this case it appears negotiations are ongoing so Shams' source is telling him the parts he can confirm.
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Re: [Charania]: Knicks and Pistons Engaged in Trade Talks on Rose 

Post#20 » by Laimbeer » Sun Feb 7, 2021 7:04 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:
Laimbeer wrote:Why do details of trades seem to come out in pieces?


in this case it appears negotiations are ongoing so Shams' source is telling him the parts he can confirm.


Seems to happen a lot. How can anyone know Rose is dealt if negotiations are ongoing? They could fall through if not finalized, no?
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