T&T board top 10 worst contracts - Final list

[Dr Positivity]

1. Russell Westbrook (3 years, 132.7 million, includes 3rd year 47.1 million player option)



2. Klay Thompson (4 years, 157.2 million)



3. John Wall (3 years, 133 million, includes 3rd year 47.4 million player option)



4. Kevin Love (3 years, 91.5 million)



5. Blake Griffin (2 years, 75.8 million, includes 2nd year 39.0 million player option)



6. D'Angelo Russell (3 years, 90.3 million)



7. Andrew Wiggins (3 years, 94.7 million)



8. Draymond Green (4 years, 99.6 million, includes 4th year 27.6 million player option)



9. Al Horford (2 years, 54.5 million, plus 26.5 million 3rd year with 12 million guaranteed)



10. Kemba Walker (3 years, 108 million, includes 37.6 million 3rd year player option)

Dishonorable mentions: Tobias Harris, Davis Bertans, Marcus Morris, Buddy Hield, Kristaps Porzingis, Eric Gordon

2018 list

[Dr Positivity]

Klay was hardest to rank, not sure I agree with #2. Otherwise I think the list is pretty spot on.

[Catchall]

Wow, three Warriors on this list.

[NBAhipster24]

I think Porzingis should be 9 or 10 but can't argue too much. this is a great list

[DoItALL9]

If we knew Klay was going to be the same guy would anyone have him on their worse ten list?

One could argue the amount paid vs seasons on the court is extremely high

[DoItALL9]

Chris Paul was mistakenly put on that last list

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[Dr Positivity]

If we knew Klay was going to be the same guy would anyone have him on their worse ten list?

One could argue the amount paid vs seasons on the court is extremely high

Healthy Klay wouldn't be on the bottom 10, although you could say 40 mil/yr is still not much better than neutral value for him, his advanced stats his last two healthy years were getting pretty mediocre (sub .100 WS, negative BPM). Or to put it another way if it was just the torn ACL and Klay was playing right now I wouldn't have been surprised if he still snuck onto this list ahead of Walker.

[Dr Positivity]

Chris Paul was mistakenly put on that last list

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Paul needing picks to trade him for Westbrook after that season suggests his contract was negative

[daoneandonly]

List looks about right. Kemba is rightfully on here

[VDT]

Chris Paul was mistakenly put on that last list

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There is always a recency bias in these lists, which is why you see radical changes from year to year.

For example i think i was the only one that mentioned Lillard this year. However, it is not hard to see that a tiny guard getting 45 mil into their middle 30s is surely going to backfire and with some nagging injuries it will happen sooner than later. Yet because he is still playing at a high level, no one wants to think about the future. I was saying the same about Klay and Kemba before it became common knowledge but it is not hard to predict. Giving huge contract to players in their 30s (particularly short guards) is a very bad bet that you will most likely lose. Only generational players are potentially worth these contracts in their 30s. You dont want to pay a player for what he did in the past, but for what you can reasonably expect him to do in the future.

[PistolPeteJR]

Chris Paul was mistakenly put on that last list

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Paul needing picks to trade him for Westbrook after that season suggests his contract was negative

All it suggests is poor player evaluation.

[shrink]

Chris Paul was mistakenly put on that last list

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Paul needing picks to trade him for Westbrook after that season suggests his contract was negative

All it suggests is poor player evaluation.

No, it suggests he radically outperformed his expected value.

We are making these evaluations at a point in time, taking a snapshot. People thought age and injuries would seriously hamper Paul, and that was not a bad bet. It was very unlikely Paul would do so well this year - he deserves credit for proving us wrong.

Dr. Positivity is right, It’s hard to argue with the evaluation when he was actually traded for Westbrook in real life, and it took picks to do it.

[Texas Chuck]

Well I was always pretty alone on the Chris Paul value train. I get a lot wrong, but I definitely got that one right.

And I don't think the Paul/Westbrook trade proves we had valued Paul correctly. In hindsight the lesson is Westbrook was badly overvalued and Houston was in a difficult spot in that they had to move Paul but still wanted to compete and Harden wanted to play with his old teammate.

[LloydFree]

I don't think it's possible for Blake Griffin to be that high on the list, with his contract having so few years left.

Kristaps Porzingis not being on the list is a huge miss. The length of his contract, combined with his health and lack of overall impact on the court (even when he is healthy) makes him a top 5 worst contract. Let alone top 10 worst.

[basketballwacko2]

Klay was hardest to rank, not sure I agree with #2. Otherwise I think the list is pretty spot on.

I would have went with Love at #3 because he's not playing and at least Wall is. The Russell/Wiggins spot is tough to call one of those guys is as bad as the other. The list is pretty good otherwise.

[FNQ]

I don't think it's possible for Blake Griffin to be that high on the list, with his contract having so few years left.

Kristaps Porzingis not being on the list is a huge miss. The length of his contract, combined with his health and lack of overall impact on the court (even when he is healthy) makes him a top 5 worst contract. Let alone top 10 worst.

I agree with KP but Griffin had to make the list because of how little he brings to the table.. of all the people on that list, I can see only one who definitely quit on his team already and its Blake

[daoneandonly]

I don't think it's possible for Blake Griffin to be that high on the list, with his contract having so few years left.

Kristaps Porzingis not being on the list is a huge miss. The length of his contract, combined with his health and lack of overall impact on the court (even when he is healthy) makes him a top 5 worst contract. Let alone top 10 worst.

I agree with KP but Griffin had to make the list because of how little he brings to the table.. of all the people on that list, I can see only one who definitely quit on his team already and its Blake

As a Mavs fan, I'd say yes KP should be on the list, in place of Draymond. People can dwell on the triple single, but the Warriors are a completely different team when Draymond is not on the court, as in they are much worse. Dallas has had moments where thye are just as good, if not better when KP sites, so he's the answer

Blake absolutely belong son the list, he's utterly useless these days

[FNQ]

I don't think it's possible for Blake Griffin to be that high on the list, with his contract having so few years left.

Kristaps Porzingis not being on the list is a huge miss. The length of his contract, combined with his health and lack of overall impact on the court (even when he is healthy) makes him a top 5 worst contract. Let alone top 10 worst.

I agree with KP but Griffin had to make the list because of how little he brings to the table.. of all the people on that list, I can see only one who definitely quit on his team already and its Blake

As a Mavs fan, I'd say yes KP should be on the list, in place of Draymond. People can dwell on the triple single, but the Warriors are a completely different team when Draymond is not on the court, as in they are much worse. Dallas has had moments where thye are just as good, if not better when KP sites, so he's the answer

Blake absolutely belong son the list, he's utterly useless these days

Dray is one of the weird cases where actual value doesnt translate to trade value. I'd imagine that only a few teams would be willing to take him on, and at that point, his value starts becoming depressed. If he somehow burned all his GSW bridges, could we get an expiring for him? I just dont think we could.. Frankly my list would look a lot different, with Dray/Russell higher and Klay/Wall lower.

Something like

Westbrook - Griffin - DLo - Love - Draymond - Wiggins - Wall - Horford - KP - Morris

think its crazy Klay was #2 and as crazy to have Harris getting votes at all.. not a fan of Kemba being up there as well with Morris/Bertrans sitting out there either.

[daoneandonly]

I agree with KP but Griffin had to make the list because of how little he brings to the table.. of all the people on that list, I can see only one who definitely quit on his team already and its Blake

As a Mavs fan, I'd say yes KP should be on the list, in place of Draymond. People can dwell on the triple single, but the Warriors are a completely different team when Draymond is not on the court, as in they are much worse. Dallas has had moments where thye are just as good, if not better when KP sites, so he's the answer

Blake absolutely belong son the list, he's utterly useless these days

Dray is one of the weird cases where actual value doesnt translate to trade value. I'd imagine that only a few teams would be willing to take him on, and at that point, his value starts becoming depressed. If he somehow burned all his GSW bridges, could we get an expiring for him? I just dont think we could.. Frankly my list would look a lot different, with Dray/Russell higher and Klay/Wall lower.

Something like

Westbrook - Griffin - DLo - Love - Draymond - Wiggins - Wall - Horford - KP - Morris

think its crazy Klay was #2 and as crazy to have Harris getting votes at all.. not a fan of Kemba being up there as well with Morris/Bertrans sitting out there either.

Kemba makes so much more annually than those 2, I think he absolutely belongs. I mean there was a time in the Eat when all you needed was one solid player to make the playoffs, and he barely did that. Now factor in his age and injury concerns, you have to put him in there.

[PistolPeteJR]

Paul needing picks to trade him for Westbrook after that season suggests his contract was negative

All it suggests is poor player evaluation.

No, it suggests he radically outperformed his expected value.

We are making these evaluations at a point in time, taking a snapshot. People thought age and injuries would seriously hamper Paul, and that was not a bad bet. It was very unlikely Paul would do so well this year - he deserves credit for proving us wrong.

Dr. Positivity is right, It’s hard to argue with the evaluation when he was actually traded for Westbrook in real life, and it took picks to do it.

"Expected" is a super subjective word and not common. If it was common to this thread, that was a mistake based on poor projection.